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The Official 2008-2009 NBA/Toronto Raptors Discussion Thread (pg. 34)
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| infinity HiGH |
| quote: | Originally posted by MarkT
this has worked out SO well, it's not even funny. After next year, the Raps could have Jose, Bosh, Marion and Bargnani under contract with $$$ to sign a decent guard. With Marion able to defend the other team's best 1 through 4, they don't even need a lock-down defender at SG. Really, the Raps just need a good shooter who will stretch the defense along with Bargnani, allowing Bosh and Marion to go buck wild in the paint.
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1. Marion CANNOT defend the 1.
2. The Raps just need a good shooter? What about Jose? Or Kapono? Or Parker? All the team ever had the past 3-4 years is good shooters yet it hasn't helped in terms of "stretching defenses." Good teams don't fall for that . They let teams like that shoot away because in the end they'll beat themselves.
3. Bosh (undersized, weak 4) and Marion (a 3/lite 4) will never go buck wild in the paint.
| quote: | | come on...doesn't this lineup make Raps fans excited??? Jose, Marion, Bosh and Bargnani with a decent SG??? |
Dump Jose and Bosh and get a decent PG; a dangerous attacking/shooting SG and a complimentary C that REBOUNDS and is capable of running the floor (a'la Lee or Biedrens, either of which are very realistic acquisitions for T.O) and IMO that's a much better line up. Or just dump Bosh, since Jose fits the "decent PG" mold (he is soooo not Top 5).
| quote: | | ...bring back Delfino and that is a *sick* starting lineup that can compete with any team in the league. |
Yea, get more chuckers on this team. |
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| SuperJimbo |
After Shaquille O'Neal scored 45 against Toronto on Friday, Raptors star Chris Bosh said O'Neal had benefited from officials ignoring his three-second lane violations.
"I heard what Chris Bosh said, and that's strong words coming from the RuPaul of big men," O'Neal said. "I'm going to do the same thing (in their next meeting) I did before - make him quit. Make 'em quit and complain. It's what I do."
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| jon jon |
| lol add another wtf to the 08/09 season |
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| infinity HiGH |
| quote: | Originally posted by SuperJimbo
After Shaquille O'Neal scored 45 against Toronto on Friday, Raptors star Chris Bosh said O'Neal had benefited from officials ignoring his three-second lane violations.
"I heard what Chris Bosh said, and that's strong words coming from the RuPaul of big men," O'Neal said. "I'm going to do the same thing (in their next meeting) I did before - make him quit. Make 'em quit and complain. It's what I do."
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I wonder if he actually read the article :conf: Bosh said nothing about Shaq cheating. |
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| Orko |
| Ever notice how amazing feats are always against the Raps? They love the record books! |
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| Invasionmix |
| quote: | Originally posted by infinity HiGH
I wonder if he actually read the article :conf: Bosh said nothing about Shaq cheating. |
"He was just camping down in the lane," Bosh said Friday night, after O'Neal's biggest scoring night in six years led Phoenix to a 133-113 victory over the Raptors. "I mean, if they're not calling three seconds - I thought it was a rule, but I guess not."
It's implying that it's Shaq |
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| infinity HiGH |
| quote: | Originally posted by Invasionmix
"He was just camping down in the lane," Bosh said Friday night, after O'Neal's biggest scoring night in six years led Phoenix to a 133-113 victory over the Raptors. "I mean, if they're not calling three seconds - I thought it was a rule, but I guess not."
It's implying that it's Shaq |
It's implying that refs aren't calling 3 seconds on Shaq, which is no secret in the league.
| quote: | Originally posted by Orko
Ever notice how amazing feats are always against the Raps? They love the record books! |
Definitely noticed this. The Raptors are the punching bag of the league. Kobe's 81, Kidd's 10,000th Assist, that dude from Phoenix having a career night and Chris Paul registering his first triple double ever against the Raptors a couple years ago. There's so much more. |
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| Spam |
| quote: | Originally posted by infinity HiGH
It's implying that refs aren't calling 3 seconds on Shaq, which is no secret in the league. |
Aye, he was being critical of the referees. As a player, you understand that you take whatever the ref will give you. |
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| Orko |
| quote: | Originally posted by infinity HiGH
Definitely noticed this. The Raptors are the punching bag of the league. Kobe's 81, Kidd's 10,000th Assist, that dude from Phoenix having a career night and Chris Paul registering his first triple double ever against the Raptors a couple years ago. There's so much more. |
The raps and the knicks. MSG seems to lend itself to legendary performances, but only from opposing teams. |
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| MarkT |
| quote: | Originally posted by infinity HiGH
1. Marion CANNOT defend the 1.
2. The Raps just need a good shooter? What about Jose? Or Kapono? Or Parker? All the team ever had the past 3-4 years is good shooters yet it hasn't helped in terms of "stretching defenses." Good teams don't fall for that . They let teams like that shoot away because in the end they'll beat themselves.
3. Bosh (undersized, weak 4) and Marion (a 3/lite 4) will never go buck wild in the paint.
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1. lol...my bad. I meant 2-5...and obviously that doesn't really include regular defense of an opposing elite C...just that Marion is a very good defender and it's hardly a terrible mismatch if he gets switched off on D. Marion can defend the other team's best 2, 3 or 4.
2. They need a good shooter at the SG position who routinely practices good shot selection. they don't have that. Spreading the D only is effective if good ball movement is constantly practiced and the Raps fail to do that too. How many times do witness the open man ignored with someone instead taking a terrible shot?
3. Bosh is undersized and weak? I sure don't know about that. What he lacks in sheer strength, he makes up for in agility and range. Bosh is undefendable by most guys, one-on-one (Dwight is a clear exception). If you figure that at least one opposing big man has to move further out to cover Bargnani, there should be additional opportunities for Bosh and Marion inside.
most problems stem not from the personnel...but a failure to stick to a game plan with good ball movement, IMHO. not an easy thing, but I think the Raps have the talent to play SO much better. They are mentally weak as a team and further trades isn't going to help them gel.
| quote: | Originally posted by infinity HiGH
Dump Jose and Bosh and get a decent PG; a dangerous attacking/shooting SG and a complimentary C that REBOUNDS and is capable of running the floor (a'la Lee or Biedrens, either of which are very realistic acquisitions for T.O) and IMO that's a much better line up. Or just dump Bosh, since Jose fits the "decent PG" mold (he is soooo not Top 5). |
curious to know who your 'top 5' PG would be ;)
then consider whether or not any PG other than CP3 or Deron are arguably a short-term fix or on the decline (Nash, Kidd) and therefore not as good a fit long-term as Jose...since this team isn't winning this year or next. Unless CP3 or Deron are replacing him, I'll argue that the Raps are perhaps downgrading at PG by dealing Jose.
dealing Jose makes sense if you have a player in waiting and Ukic is waaaaay too unproven to start next year. deal him for a big-time SG and acquire a 'decent' veteran PG to bring along Ukic? maybe, but I wouldn't.
dump Bosh? ok...then who replaces him at PF and how are they an upgrade?
btw...you just called Bosh undersized and weak, but are suggesting that Lee is a viable C? come on now, lol! Lee scores and rebounds. He doesn't block and doesn't have the range of skills of either Bosh or Bargnani.
Biedrins is a fantastic C. I drafted him the last two years in Fantasy, but he's just now blossoming into a major player. on the Raps it would mean moving Bargnani out of his (arguably) optimal position, so I'm not sure how that works...,unless you're either dealing Bargnani or Bosh to get him.
Marion-Bargnani-Biedrins? hmmmmmm...that would be interesting. presumably the Raps get more than just a straight-up move and it could mean an upgrade at SG too.
| quote: | Originally posted by infinity HiGH
Yea, get more chuckers on this team. |
The reason I mentioned him is that acquiring him it doesn't necessitate a trade...but clearly there are trade/free agent options who would be better.
I'd sooner see Defino as the starting SG than anyone currently on the Raps roster. |
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| slingshot |
| Am I the only one who thinks Roko Ukic is horrible? I'm amazed that he doesn't get called for palming the ball everytime up the court. His And 1 mix type cup the ball handle is a bit ridiculous IMO...you're in the NBA buddy...dribble the ball properly. He also has NO shot. My buddies that played college ball could school this guy in a shooting competition. He looks like he's putting everything he's got just into getting the ball to the net when he shoots three's....the guy has no strength in his arms whatsoever. To me, he pretty much looks like a high school player who doesn't belong when he's on the court. I'm not overly optimistic about this guys success in the NBA. He's got a lot of work to do on his game. |
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| Sly_Guy |
| quote: | Originally posted by slingshot
Am I the only one who thinks Roko Ukic is horrible? I'm amazed that he doesn't get called for palming the ball everytime up the court. His And 1 mix type cup the ball handle is a bit ridiculous IMO...you're in the NBA buddy...dribble the ball properly. He also has NO shot. My buddies that played college ball could school this guy in a shooting competition. He looks like he's putting everything he's got just into getting the ball to the net when he shoots three's....the guy has no strength in his arms whatsoever. To me, he pretty much looks like a high school player who doesn't belong when he's on the court. I'm not overly optimistic about this guys success in the NBA. He's got a lot of work to do on his game. |
jose couldn't shoot either. Honestly, he's a rook, give him time. You can't teach speed and length. He has a knack for coming up with a spectacular play and has flashes of brilliance in making the right play every now and again.
Making the transition to the NBA is hard, just like moving up in any competition level. A player feels the game is happening too fast, and their game [especially offensively] is rushed. Give him time, the game will slow down, and he'll start making the right choices on the court. And the jumpshot is really one of the easiest parts of the game to learn, it's just practice, practice practice. |
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