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Radio Slave - Don't You Know (pg. 4)
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| nefardec |
| quote: | Originally posted by Guest
for sake Nefardec please just enjoy the track. Matt Edwards will not let you down. |
i like very little of his output
tatankatan is ok with me and his mix of fk - 'road of life'
i think the vocal sample in this is trite as hell, used poorly, and the track is pretty rhythmically flat. this heavy 4x4 beat might work for guidos but it bores the hell out of me and sounds like garbage.
this is what most people think of when they hear the word 'techno', this bland un ts 4 the floor club sound with some kind of effected chopped up female vocal
just don't feel this one at all, it will sink like all the other turds once it comes out
why do i have to like it? lol |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
why do i have to like it? lol |
Because being critical makes you a real party-pooper. You must dance wildly to any old thing that comes down the pike as if you were a teen dropping your first E. PLUR man...
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| Guest |
| because noone is allowed to unlike a radio slave track. Some are better than others but they are all good |
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| Kismet7 |
This tracks purpose is obviously strictly for dancefloors, not exactly to be broken down or talked about in an artistic sense. One of those tracks where there is a disconnect between artistry and market viability. I think the sooner people realise that some music is made for artistic reasons, and some music is made strictly for making people dance and enjoying themselves. Dance music itself started as a means to make people dance, as much as it started as means for producers to artistically express themselves through music and for others to interpret the expression. I mean the music didnt start where people started making 4/4 beats and then creating other parts to it. It started with people taking disco and funk samples and then throwing in a 4/4 beat onto it so that people could dance in a different way.
So I think if you want step forward, you have to start seeing music for what the producers intentions are, rather than saying ok "this sucks because it doesnt have a timeless melody". Producers like Radioslave make music for the clubs, so that people can dance and DJ's can buy the records, not really for people to sit there and elaborate on whats going on artistically. Although he has plenty of music that does crossover as artisically sound and market viable dance music. Even making music that works well on dancefloors has its artistic merits, because it takes a distinct skill in itself to make music that works well on the floor.
About the track...
It has an oldschool housey in yo face hi hat, it makes the track. To me this track sounds like a Dubfire Remix of Grindhouse inspired track. Something simple, but that Groove...Kick + FAT Hi Hat + Mid Range Perc doing all the work for the track. Its a groove piece for the clubs, not really for home listening. |
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| nefardec |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
This tracks purpose is obviously strictly for dancefloors, not exactly to be broken down or talked about in an artistic sense. One of those tracks where there is a disconnect between artistry and market viability. I think the sooner people realise that some music is made for artistic reasons, and some music is made strictly for making people dance and enjoying themselves. Dance music itself started as a means to make people dance, as much as it started as means for producers to artistically express themselves through music and for others to interpret the expression. I mean the music didnt start where people started making 4/4 beats and then creating other parts to it. It started with people taking disco and funk samples and then throwing in a 4/4 beat onto it so that people could dance in a different way.
So I think if you want step forward, you have to start seeing music for what the producers intentions are, rather than saying ok "this sucks because it doesnt have a timeless melody". Producers like Radioslave make music for the clubs, so that people can dance and DJ's can buy the records, not really for people to sit there and elaborate on whats going on artistically. Although he has plenty of music that does crossover as artisically sound and market viable dance music. Even making music that works well on dancefloors has its artistic merits, because it takes a distinct skill in itself to make music that works well on the floor.
About the track...
It has an oldschool housey in yo face hi hat, it makes the track. To me this track sounds like a Dubfire Remix of Grindhouse inspired track. Something simple, but that Groove...Kick + FAT Hi Hat + Mid Range Perc doing all the work for the track. Its a groove piece for the clubs, not really for home listening. |
dude you have to be kidding. where is the rulebook that says dance music can't be artistic? god this ing infuriates me. since when is melody an indication of 'art' in music. this is about as ignorant as saying that a painting needs to have the color red in it. as you said, there is art in making people dance, but what this guy is doing is not particularly new at all, nor is it particularly good at making people dance. it's forgettable, disposable. why buy something forgettable and disposable when there are people who have made tracks which are both dancefloor killers and timeless? i dont get it.
you talk as if dance music is something 30 years old. dance music is more like 3,000,000 years old. 300 years ago, the minuet was the ing business in dance music, and mozart did some damage with those.
this attitude is the reason why there is so much ty dance music out there.
it takes a certain skill to tune up disc brakes on a car. it takes a certain skill to do a large corporation's taxes.
listening to music should never be like getting your ing oil changed
look, i think that most things that helps people find happiness are good things. I think this track is the latest in a movement to dehumanize and take all the joy out of dance music. i find this stuff dreary and deterministic
it is the kind of music that makes me wonder what the i am doing in a dark, dirty room with a bunch of strangers trudging around together, ed up out of their minds. there's no joy in this music, it might be enjoyed by sad bastards and self-destructive people. this is not 'fantasy' or 'ecstasy' or 'joy', it is masochistic, like hitting yourself in the head with a hammer because the beat tells you to.
what matt edwards is really telling you: you're the ing radio slaves |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
it is the kind of music that makes me wonder what the i am doing in a dark, dirty room with a bunch of strangers trudging around together, ed up out of their minds. there's no joy in this music, it might be enjoyed by sad bastards and self-destructive people. this is not 'fantasy' or 'ecstasy' or 'joy', it is masochistic, like hitting yourself in the head with a hammer because the beat tells you to. |
You just described perfectly why I get sick of dance music so frequently. The utilitarian attitude that lots of producers and DJs apparently take toward tracks really shows up in the end result. |
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| Kismet7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
dude you have to be kidding. where is the rulebook that says dance music can't be artistic? god this ing infuriates me. since when is melody an indication of 'art' in music. this is about as ignorant as saying that a painting needs to have the color red in it. as you said, there is art in making people dance, but what this guy is doing is not particularly new at all, nor is it particularly good at making people dance. it's forgettable, disposable. why buy something forgettable and disposable when there are people who have made tracks which are both dancefloor killers and timeless? i dont get it.
you talk as if dance music is something 30 years old. dance music is more like 3,000,000 years old. 300 years ago, the minuet was the ing business in dance music, and mozart did some damage with those.
this attitude is the reason why there is so much ty dance music out there.
listening to music should never be like getting your ing oil changed |
Movies can be non artistic (especially recently), videogames can be non artistic (though they continue to rise in artistry, well past film in many cases, actually I see videogames as more artistic than film these days), music can be non artistic (purely products selling sex, drugs, poseur gang life.) They might have started as art forms or a means for expression, but today they are also products, to be viable in a marketplace. So there is a line between art and product. And that line crosses over eachother within itself. Even in the Transformers movie there are portions that are artistic and the rest might be purely product. Sometimes when the average producer is going through the production process, he is not thinking about an inspiration, a time, a place, a story, or memory that he is trying to get across into music form. Sometimes he is thinking about making someone dance, and strictly about producing something that a DJ might buy and play out.
Your right music can be artistic and be danceable, im not arguing that. And im not arguing this is a good piece of music, I actually think its rather boring and lifeless, so im with you on that. This piece of music doesnt move me at all. What I am doing is analyzing the situation here. Im not going to be ignorant about its purpose or utility. Purpose and Utility. I know it might move a dancefloor, and in that sense if it does a very good job at that, it has that artistic merit where the producer used his mind and experiences in club culture to create something that would work well on a dancefloor.
So there are some music I see as artistic, some music I see as great dancefloor stuff, and some music that is both artistic and would work well on the dancefloor. What your saying is what it SHOULD BE (and I Agree) or what you would hope for it to be, while im telling you what it actually is. So you have an idealist view of this and I have a realist view, although ideally im totally with you.
I dont think all music is intended to be art, just like Transformers the Movie wasn't intended to be art, just a product capitalizing on a society that was ready to go back to that franchise. For me what divides good music and amazing music is the music that is both relevant artistically and would work on a dancefloor. From a DJ perspective, good music is anything that will make the dancefloor move. So I dont think we disagree, just that I do see a purpose for this track at the moment, even though it might not be timeless. |
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| nefardec |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
I dont think all music is intended to be art, just like Transformers the Movie wasn't intended to be art, just a product capitalizing on a society that was ready to go back to that franchise. |
that's my point exactly, it's no longer 'music', just another product like the ing thing i cleaned my ear with today, muzak
http://www.muzak.com/
the idea that so many people willingly accept mediocrity because it serves its societal purpose is offensive to me as a human being. everyone is more capable of that, but the sad fact is, no one wants to be because most people in this scene are lazy and depressed, and they want matt edwards to tell them what to do, how to run away from all their problems, to numb their ears while they dry hump the air in their k-holes
regarding idealism - yeah i am idealistic. but i am completely sincere and do everything in my personal power to achieve those ideals. i think 'realism' is another name for 'lazyiness' or 'resignation' or 'acceptance'.
why do we have to degrade ourselves listening to products, numbing our minds and our senses, desensitizing our ears and our mental capacity to experience beauty? |
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| nefardec |
here's a quote from inayat khan that i like very much
| quote: | But there is no doubt that if that music, which is magic and which is built on a psychological basis is introduced in the West, it will root out all such things as jazz. People seem to spoil their senses. This music is destroying their delicacy of sense. Thousands every day are dancing to jazz music and they forget the effect it has upon their spirit, upon their mind, upon their delicate senses.
There was a prince of Rampur who wanted to study music with a great teacher. But the teacher knew the character of the prince who was fond of music, and he understood that many musicians would want to show their talents before him. He said, 'I can only teach you on one condition: I do not want to hear any musician who is not an accomplished artist, because your sense of music must not be destroyed; it must be preserved for delicate music, it must be able to appreciate the fine intricacies.'
When the education of the public destroys the delicacy of its musical appreciation, it cannot help the fact that it does not like listening to real music but prefers jazz. Instead of going forward, it is going backward. And if music which is the central theme of the whole human culture is not helping people to go forward, it is a great pity. |
and i'm done after that |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| I don't want music that's a "product," and I can't understand why people would ever want to make it. If you're really passionate about your art, how could you take such a cynical attitude toward it? "Eh, this isn't anything that great, but I'll put it out anyway because people will buy it and it'll work in a club." |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
here's a quote from inayat khan that i like very much |
Sounds kind of like Adorno. He said that people had bludgeoned their senses so much with inane music that they could no longer appreciate it when something really good came along. |
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