By the way his daughter Anoushka Shankar, is ing brilliant defined. You could probably catch her playing somewhere locally, as she plays out a lot around the world. Saw her when she was fairly young playing alongside Ravi when I was about 14 and was learning how to play Tabla at the time. Ravi Shankar is also father to Nora Jones.
Anoushka and Violinist Joshua Bell and Tanmoy Bose on Tabla playing Raag "Mishra Pilu"
Kismet7
By the way, im sharing some of this stuff (haven't really scratched the surface on the quality out there) because I know some of you guys are eclectic enough to take it in, and maybe make it your own. Just like you've taken in any other sort of music that hasn't been sold to you through the television or radio. This music will never be sold to you, you have to find it or find people that have found it.
Music full of emotion, feeling, deepness, dynamics, music that builds properly, full of space and timelessness. The music a lot of you seem to be looking for.
ok im done for a while, inspired to start a new piece.
nefardec
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Originally posted by Kismet7
Nefardec, your a good guy, but again I have to say your being idealist when most producers are thinking about their reality. They're thinking about making music and also being able to put food on the table. That underground stuff to me is borderline fairytale in today's society and today's economy.
it's not really a 'fairytale' pursuit - there are have been a ton of people in the history of electronic music who have done this. the fact that so many people have day jobs makes what they do in their basement even more underground.. 'underground' is very real - i'm not sure why you are saying that it is borderline fairytale. i mean, especially when you step out and look at this 'scene' from the mainstream point of view. what percentage of the us population knows who 'radio slave' is?
also, yes, I do listen to classical indian music, my girlfriend is actually indian and she got me into hariprasad chaurasia, zakir hussain, and others. she has a lot of old vinyl recordings and things. however i hadnt heard some of those, so thank you very much for posting them
I am also familiar with the traditional teaching methods and I do find this ideal for the production of any art. I did my architectural thesis on an mobile artist collective in berlin that was based on monastic lifestyles.
as far as an insight into the way indian classical music is taught, as well as the philosophical, metaphysical, and cultural values of music, I think Inayat Khan's "The Mysticism of Music & Sound" is a great read.
There's only one reason why the production of dance music is any different than the production of indian classical music, and that is western culture doesn't value music or musicians. It treats music no differently than an ed hardy t shirt
i am completely aware of how idealistic i am. my imagination is all i have
MrJiveBoJingles
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Originally posted by nefardec
There's only one reason why the production of dance music is any different than the production of indian classical music, and that is western culture doesn't value music or musicians. It treats music no differently than an ed hardy t shirt
Well, today's Western culture at least. The practice of music used to be tied up intimately with religion here as well. Now it's just another commodity...
winston
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Originally posted by bas
This track started being charted around June/July and Kristian from Ame played it in that big ol' Fabrik set from Madrid. I heard Matt Tolfrey play it when he was out here last and he said it was going to be coming out on Rekids on the No Sleep Part 7 EP. Radio Slave himself just charted it this month on RA and he has Cabin Fever as the label (never heard of Cabin Fever). Anyone have any other info on this track, possibly a release date? :D
that's awesome, i have big hopes for rekids. in fact, it's one of the few labels that i buy alot from.
winston
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Originally posted by nefardec
that is the blog techno scene du jour
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Kismet7
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Originally posted by nefardec
it's not really a 'fairytale' pursuit - there are have been a ton of people in the history of electronic music who have done this. the fact that so many people have day jobs makes what they do in their basement even more underground.. 'underground' is very real - i'm not sure why you are saying that it is borderline fairytale. i mean, especially when you step out and look at this 'scene' from the mainstream point of view. what percentage of the us population knows who 'radio slave' is?
also, yes, I do listen to classical indian music, my girlfriend is actually indian and she got me into hariprasad chaurasia, zakir hussain, and others. she has a lot of old vinyl recordings and things. however i hadnt heard some of those, so thank you very much for posting them
I am also familiar with the traditional teaching methods and I do find this ideal for the production of any art. I did my architectural thesis on an mobile artist collective in berlin that was based on monastic lifestyles.
as far as an insight into the way indian classical music is taught, as well as the philosophical, metaphysical, and cultural values of music, I think Inayat Khan's "The Mysticism of Music & Sound" is a great read.
There's only one reason why the production of dance music is any different than the production of indian classical music, and that is western culture doesn't value music or musicians. It treats music no differently than an ed hardy t shirt
i am completely aware of how idealistic i am. my imagination is all i have
I did qualify "today's economy, today's society." I know underground music has been made over the history of electronic music. Fine, it might not be a fairytale but underground is not really what it use to be. Anyhow, this one would get into semantics and go nowhere, so we'll leave it at underground music still exists when your comparing electronic music to mainstream music.
So you do listen to some classical indian,good stuff. If you think about it, the music seems to be the origin of a lot of ideas in music. You could say classical indian music was jazz before there was jazz, rock n roll before there was rock n roll, and techno before there was techno. Many genres are embodied in classical indian music.
Indian gf? nice. Indian women are good women, my exex galfriend is indian and burmese. If your into Hariprasad Chaurasia, I'll share some of my music with you.
That monastic lifestyle, studying, and rendering of music is ideally how music should be made and rendered. Studying under an Ustad where you are student, loyal servant, and "son", in comparison to western teaching is a very different experience. And again, part of the rest why their music is so great is that their listeners are purely there for the music. There is no image to buy, just great music.
About bein idealistic, no worries really. I often try to see what artists are trying to do ideally with their music, or what their ideas are. When I make my own music, its usually based on an idea or a vision. The only reason why I point it out here is because its not the view to take when looking at WHY Radioslave created what you might call a "filler" track. Producers who are DJ's know that they need to create music that supports the DJ's set, not every track can be this work of beauty, some pieces of music simply have to work in a way that lets DJ's play it out in their set. They allow the DJ to build peaks and valleys and properly carry a dynamic set. These simple groove tracks are the best utility for that, and they have their own place in a set.
Clovis
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Originally posted by Kismet7
The only reason why I point it out here is because its not the view to take when looking at WHY Radioslave created what you might call a "filler" track. Producers who are DJ's know that they need to create music that supports the DJ's set, not every track can be this work of beauty, some pieces of music simply have to work in a way that lets DJ's play it out in their set. They allow the DJ to build peaks and valleys and properly carry a dynamic set. These simple groove tracks are the best utility for that, and they have their own place in a set.
nefardec's argument (and mine too) is going to be that, you can create those peaks and valleys and make a dynamic set, out of 100% good music. There is better filler. You don't have to compromise. Though, I like this track as a bridge or filler, I like the basic groove. Other people don't. No big deal.
Kismet7
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Originally posted by Clovis
nefardec's argument (and mine too) is going to be that, you can create those peaks and valleys and make a dynamic set, out of 100% good music. There is better filler. You don't have to compromise. Though, I like this track as a bridge or filler, I like the basic groove. Other people don't. No big deal.
From Radioslave's perspective its probably purely filler track for supporting the DJ. And yes of course you can do anything in the world with 100% purely good music, I dont think anyone is arguing you cant. But if your talented you can work in something that isn't timeless like this track into your set and still create a good set. So essentially, music that isn't timeless BUT works well on a dancefloor still has its USE. And in many cases has MORE use than timeless music or music that some of you would call "good" music. So the utility of the track for the dancefloor in many case can supercede its individual quality, especially when building a dynamic set.
winston
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Bloody hell, it isn't too hard to work out. Some people won't have heard all this back catalogue stuff you guys are mentioning, and some people won't know where to look. It takes years to learn a genre inside out and a lot of people aren't there yet. Radio Slave is a big name and a lot of people do know who he is.
I'm not being defensive here because I don't really like Radio Slave myself, or the stuff he gets played alongside, but some people are being incredibly ing judgemental and even making sweeping statements about international music based on a series of assumptions.
It's entirely possible this track was made as a halfway point between tech and deep house and was intended as a transitional moment between styles. It's also very likely a lot of clueless DJs will misuse it.
Guest
lol at Nefardec thinking Matt Edwards makes loopy tracks to be ironic
