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Radio Slave - Don't You Know (pg. 5)
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| Kismet7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
that's my point exactly, it's no longer 'music', just another product like the ing thing i cleaned my ear with today, muzak
http://www.muzak.com/
the idea that so many people willingly accept mediocrity because it serves its societal purpose is offensive to me as a human being. everyone is more capable of that, but the sad fact is, no one wants to be because most people in this scene are lazy and depressed, and they want matt edwards to tell them what to do, how to run away from all their problems, to numb their ears while they dry hump the air in their k-holes
regarding idealism - yeah i am idealistic. but i am completely sincere and do everything in my personal power to achieve those ideals. i think 'realism' is another name for 'lazyiness' or 'resignation' or 'acceptance'.
why do we have to degrade ourselves listening to products, numbing our minds and our senses, desensitizing our ears and our mental capacity to experience beauty? |
I think a lot of today's music is simply a product of the way society has evolved and the way the computer has changed society. If we weren't to have computers that allowed just about everyone the accessibility to music making tools to put turds onto Beatport, I dont think we might be complaining about the quality of music. So there are a lot of hopeful and attention seeking people making music out there, instead of passionate people trying to live their dream of becoming an established artist. Of course there are benefits to the computer, but that fact remains.
I wish outlets like Beatport would do some quality assurance where they screened a label for a while before they could throw music out there. There are simply too many "producers" desperate for attention that make a track for virtually no money and then throw it out there amongst pieces of music by producers who pour their heart and soul into their music. I can only imagine how turned off legit artists feel when they are competing for shelf space with some dude who sold himself short to some crap label who is also seeking attention from whomever.
I've been making music for a few years now, but havent even thought about sending my music out until I felt that it was actually at the quality of being sent to labels, and thats this year. So it s with my mind that some dude has already published a ton of tracks and im sitting here still working to get my first track signed, not because im lazy (I have probably over 20 tracks produced worth signing), but because I simply have been working on my craft. I sent a mastering engineer a few tracks today, and he told me that Berlin Labels would be all over one of the tracks, and that it reminded him of some 90s Detroit Techno. The man runs his own label with another established producer, has mastered dozens of tracks (recently Abe Duque's) and has put out dozens of his own quality music. That said, I do wish the current music scene was purely inhabited by artisans instead of product developing attention seeking producers and labels. Hopefully standards rise over the next 5 years, as the crop of attention seeking producers start to realise they should try something else, and the labels that take advantage of desperate artists start to go away. |
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| nefardec |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
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my answer to that is 'do it yourself'
this is how this stuff began, and this is what people do who want to do their own thing. and it works out pretty nicely for some people (alex omar s, etc) |
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| Kismet7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
my answer to that is 'do it yourself'
this is how this stuff began, and this is what people do who want to do their own thing. and it works out pretty nicely for some people (alex omar s, etc) |
Exactly, what's better than putting out your own music and having full control over its destiny. But even that is something that I want to learn properly before I jump into it. So it is indeed ideal to put out music on my own label someday and other artists that I think are doing some great things, but i'll learn the ins and outs first, and I think the best way is to put out music on some labels first. I have a few names for a future label, interesting names. Omar S is definately an inspiration though, the man is raw when it comes to his label, although I don't think i'd take his exclusive approach. I'd put out music I think sounds great regardless if the producer wants to put music on other labels, i'd just ask for the best though lol. |
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| Shudder |
| pretty damn groovy. gotta keep my eyes on this one |
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| Kismet7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
I don't want music that's a "product," and I can't understand why people would ever want to make it. If you're really passionate about your art, how could you take such a cynical attitude toward it? "Eh, this isn't anything that great, but I'll put it out anyway because people will buy it and it'll work in a club." |
Because people have to eat man. I think another area a lot of the TA community fails to recognize or understand is that a lot of producers putting out music are BROKE. They aren't really of the trust fund crop where the producer's mommmy bought all the gear he wants, the rent and bills are paid for, and he can focus on putting out white noise or an abstract arp melody as music that many seem to call art these days. Or whatever, even truly good artistic music.
So again, I go back to the disconnect between art and market viability. There are producers who are passionate about music, BUT they really dont have the means to make purely artistic music that is timeless, because as we all know purely artistic music doesnt sell as much as purely dancefloor music or pop music. So its a struggle between do I want to eat and keep making music? Or do I go for what people will deem as artistic and have to fold up my hopes of getting somewhere because the music doesn't sell enough these days.
Unfortunately the marketplace isn't set up in a way that rewards highly artistic music the same way it rewards music that works well on dancefloors or that a DJ would actually buy. Thats not really the producers fault, the scene and market simply wont allow that many producers to not make music that is highly dancefloor music. Personally if I had very disposable money coming in constantly, I be be making totally different expressive music than dance music, maybe ambient or kraut rock or something infused with hip hop alongside the house and techno im passionate about. That said, I know that I can make music that manages to be artistically relevant and have market viability. It's truly difficult to be honest, and unless you have spent a lot of time producing music I dont think you really can understand the situation dance music producers are in.
So not everyone who is passionate about music can afford the high cost(literally and metaphysically) of being a purely artsy musician. This is why a lot of your favorite producers are much older producers because they are probably in a good financial situation or they have another job, so that they can put out music that has high artistic quality and no worry much about sales. I started by making music that is purely artistic and then I studied the market and realised I have to ALSO make music for dancefloors, or music that DJ's will play out, so that I can keep making the music that I feel passionate about. Im not in a position to not worry about finances yet, If I don't do that, i'd have to stop what im passionate about and simply use my time elsewhere. So you will hear all types of music from me, from artistic pieces to dancefloor pieces, to artistically sound + dancefloor pieces in order to keep doing what im passionate about. So, in short dancefloor pieces will help pay the bills to keep making music, and artistic pieces will help feed the soul so that I can keep living and enjoying life. |
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| bas |
| It's threads like this that make me scared less to produce lol |
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| Kismet7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by bas
It's threads like this that make me scared less to produce lol |
It's honestly gut wrenching reading some threads. I can already see something I produce that is sucessful "he sucks...he made something that a lot of people like...a lot of DJ's are playing it, I just dont like it" Screwed indeed? Hopefully the soul, feeling, or emotion shines through my music that that type of commment will be limited to the douchebags. But no doubt, definately hard to be producer and be aware of some of the comments people make about the music. The great thing though is I understand the philosophy behind a lot of the comments, so it wont bother me as much, but I can imagine a lot of producers who take things online at face value, being affected by the opinions of music forum patrons.
That said, dont let that stop you, if you got passion and talent for it, dont let the opinions of people on a forum to inhibit you. You should care about people on the dancefloors, or the people who listen deeply with their headphones.
And with that, i'm outta this thread for a bit. |
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| bas |
| Oh I think I can handle the one liners like "it sucks". But you guys completely picked this track apart lol, I'm not even sure I like it anymore. |
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| Ted Promo |
| Sounded boring to me. |
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| Clovis |
| I don't care who likes it or not, it's still good to me. |
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| enydo |
I just can't believe people I know who let other people influence their tastes so much.
"I kinda liked this.."
"Oh, well I ing hated it"
"Yeah, it really wasn't that good I guess." |
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