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588 TTC workers on big-bucks list (pg. 3)
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| waynoinsano |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cro_Addict
WOW that is ridiculous!
Way to reward the uneducated!!! Meanwhile people that work hard, pay a load for schooling and eduction get shafted.
I understand that being the driver it might be a tough job, but ...100k give me a break. Making burgers at McDonalds at rush hour is a hard job too, but you dont see them paying 100K+. What is wrong with the drivers making 50k?
This gets me sooo frustrated! :whip: |
who says they're uneducated? have you personally interviewed each one?
what if they were supporting a family? and having that job allowed them to do so comfortably? so what, they landed a phat job get over it. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by waynoinsano
so what, they landed a phat job get over it. |
The point is that they're doing jobs (poorly) that could be done by a reasonably advanced lemur or at least a low-tech machine.
It's not all about education. Pay scale is based on demand and scarcity, and education is one way to achieve that. These jobs are low-demand, high-supply, and there is absolutely no reason for them to be getting paid those salaries.
And that, alone, is not necessarily so bad; we could just move on and say that it's a stupid company to pay them so much and they'll probably crash and burn. Except in this case it's the government, and the money is coming from taxpayers i.e. us. That is the "so what". WE are being forced to pay low-skilled workers more than twice their fair market value. |
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| smuncky |
lets all remember that their salaries are 50-60k and the rest they earned because of overtime. the other thing i learned was that most collectors are employees who cannot perform their normal duties due to injuries or w/e. so it's better to pay them a wage than to pay disability leave and not have them work at all.
don't get me wrong, i think that ticket booth collectors are only being because of the ATU and could easily be replaced by machines. what would be a good solution is to make the booth collectors station managers that would mantain the station, help commuters, restart escalators when down, etc. |
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| evil_cookie |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
The point is that they're doing jobs (poorly) that could be done by a reasonably advanced lemur or at least a low-tech machine.
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Exactly.
We are throwing away money at an out-dated system. Most of the developed world, and their transit systems, have long replaced the ticket-cashier with an automated machine. This is the sort of efficiency the TTC lacks; and for no apparent reason, other than stupidity or greed--or both. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by smuncky
lets all remember that their salaries are 50-60k and the rest they earned because of overtime. the other thing i learned was that most collectors are employees who cannot perform their normal duties due to injuries or w/e. so it's better to pay them a wage than to pay disability leave and not have them work at all. |
But that's double the normal salary. To get that much overtime, they'd have to work 66% more hours at time-and-a-half. If they work 40-hour weeks, that means they are putting in over 65 hours a week, EVERY WEEK OF THE YEAR! And if they normally work less than 40 hours a week and still make $50,000 in salary then the hourly rate must be absurdly high.
Why are they putting in so much overtime? Are there that many other workers who don't show up? That is like covering for two other employees for an entire year. And what system is used to track this overtime, how does the TTC know if they worked those hours, and I mean really actually worked?
See, with a bus driver, it's pretty obvious if somebody did a double-shift. With a booth collector it's all kind of arbitrary. It's so easy to put in "overtime" during redeye hours when hardly anybody is coming or going. Hell, they could be sleeping in there, and I actually saw that a couple of times back when I took the TTC.
Even if these people were doing honest work helping to maintain the station, that is still not highly specialized work and they still have no business taking over $100K from the taxpayers doing it. |
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| infinity HiGH |
| LOL you guys think that drivers deserve that kind of money?? Based on what? Half of those ******s can't even drive properly, and they're supposed to be "trained professionals". If you wanna use the argument that they have to put up with a lot of then there's a very simple solution: put a glass wall between them and the riders. Drivers should be making 60k at the absolute maximum. As far as overtime is concerned then I think that's a serious safety issue if you have people clocking in 60+ hours a week. |
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| smuncky |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
But that's double the normal salary. To get that much overtime, they'd have to work 66% more hours at time-and-a-half. If they work 40-hour weeks, that means they are putting in over 65 hours a week, EVERY WEEK OF THE YEAR! And if they normally work less than 40 hours a week and still make $50,000 in salary then the hourly rate must be absurdly high.
Why are they putting in so much overtime? Are there that many other workers who don't show up? That is like covering for two other employees for an entire year. And what system is used to track this overtime, how does the TTC know if they worked those hours, and I mean really actually worked?
See, with a bus driver, it's pretty obvious if somebody did a double-shift. With a booth collector it's all kind of arbitrary. It's so easy to put in "overtime" during redeye hours when hardly anybody is coming or going. Hell, they could be sleeping in there, and I actually saw that a couple of times back when I took the TTC.
Even if these people were doing honest work helping to maintain the station, that is still not highly specialized work and they still have no business taking over $100K from the taxpayers doing it. |
that's the weird part of it. that's so much overtime. there is clearly a management problem involved in this. |
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| Sentinal |
Well I'm on my split right now and I'm going to say this right off the start. I'M ING PISSED. you to everyone who posted on here bitching about the wages. we earn good money cause we put up with a lot of . Ppl on the bus and off. Drivers are incredibly inconsiderate of buses It's bad here in mississauga so I can only imagine how bad the TTC boys have it. I get about 65000 a year and I deserve every penny of it. Now for all these comments about being uneducated. I have 2 BA's and an associate B.Comm. A little more than a high school education dont you think. There are quite a few drivers that have higher education as well. They settle for this job because it is a decent living. But there is good reason for the wages we get and I would challenge ANYONE to try it for a day and then ask if we deserve what we get. passengers would rather spit in my face than pay the 3.00 fare. We dont have ticket collectors here so I can't comment on their positiion.
V-Dub your right. Those drivers mustve worked a crapload of o/t because TTC only get about 20 cents more and hour than we do, and we get like I said around 65k. The comments above were not directed to those who are a bit more open minded....... |
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| waynoinsano |
| quote: | Originally posted by infinity HiGH
LOL you guys think that drivers deserve that kind of money?? Based on what? Half of those ******s can't even drive properly, and they're supposed to be "trained professionals". If you wanna use the argument that they have to put up with a lot of then there's a very simple solution: put a glass wall between them and the riders. Drivers should be making 60k at the absolute maximum. As far as overtime is concerned then I think that's a serious safety issue if you have people clocking in 60+ hours a week. |
your retarded. have you ever tried driving something for a living, all god dam day. you think bus drivers might occasionally drive poorly, have you ever seen the way the rest of the ing people on the road drive? you think boxing someone in a glass cage would make their job easier, or subtract from the amount of they put up with? |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sentinal
we earn good money cause we put up with a lot of . |
Sigh. Look, I think $65K is perfectly reasonable for a driver, it's roughly on the order of what a decent cabbie makes.
But, no offense, we ALL put up with crap. That's part of having a job. If something's always easy, if nothing bad ever happens, then it's not a job, it's recreation. The market doesn't automatically guarantee you high pay because your job is hard or frustrating; pay is based on supply and demand (how many times must this be repeated?)
| quote: | Originally posted by waynoinsano
your retarded. |
Irony. |
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| waynoinsano |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
Irony. |
lol. |
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| SgtFoo |
| quote: | Originally posted by smuncky
i will +1 to drivers deserving a good wage. it's actually hard work and i have the utmost respect to the good drivers on our streets.
we should get these to replace ticket booth attendants.
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