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| VDub |
Jealous ppl who paid through the ass for an education that got them a low paying dead end job...
Not all...
But some... |
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| Capo di tutti |
Sentinal ....GOOD FOR YOU, you went to school and finished...took a job that pays well...sounds like an "educated" decision to me...furthermore (and i can't wait for the douches to bash this) you make a difference...you drive people who yes choose public transport as a convieniant way to get around but you also make life easier for people who can't afford it...as corny as it sounds peoples livelihoods, relationships etc would become difficult...
Evil Cookie...what the do you do??what difference do you make??who are you to denounce a person who works 40 or more hours... it, why stop at ttc people, go boycott the hot dog dude at yonge and dundas square because he pulls in 70k a year... |
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| DeleteFromUsers |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
That's wrong though. Overtime is pegged at time-and-a-half on the basis that it's something people don't want to, but are required by their employers to do. If an employee's overtime pay is as much as or more than his base salary, then it means you're short-staffed. It would be less expensive, and less dangerous, to just hire and train another driver. As Alex said, there seems to be a management problem here.
Overtime pay isn't supposed to be an incentive for employees to work more hours, it's supposed to be an incentive against employers having no respect for workers' personal lives. No private sector business would ever allow an employee to regularly work such long hours. For a couple of weeks maybe, sure, but after that they would almost certainly try to settle it up with vacation time or something.
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It sounds like you haven't worked in manufacturing or construction.
You are perhaps on the mark as far as white-collar jobs go. In blue-collar jobs, overtime is considered a benefit and workers get upset if you reduce/eliminate it. A lack of overtime is considered by management to be an indication of excessive staff or that the shop is running under capacity.
Morally it doesn't sound good, but idealism and realism rarely converge in these matters.
Assuming your workers are capable of maintaining productivity despite long hours, hiring one extra full time employee (with benefits) is *much* more expensive and *much* less flexible than having two current full time employees do 15-20 hours of OT.
I could rattle on for quite some time about why OT works in manufacturing, but the point is that OT is not *considered* to be disrespectful or irresponsible in many industries. |
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| Capo di tutti |
| quote: | Originally posted by VDub
Jealous ppl who paid through the ass for an education that got them a low paying dead end job...
Not all...
But some... |
Bang on bro...Bang the on |
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| gummybear |
i spent my day dealing with a client, her crackhead son and the police..i won't get into the gruesome details..but i don't even in get half that pay for having my mind and soul assaulted on a daily basis by the worst things you can imagine...but a fuctard ticket taker can make more than twice my salary for sitting on his ass...
i hate unions...:whip:
ps..i love my job..it's just heavy on the heart at times... |
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| kotsy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sentinal
They did, but their chapter of ATU pushed for slightly higher wages than ours. And they deserve it.we make 27.57 an hour. They are right around 28.00 |
TTC Operators actually start at around $21/hour. It isn't anywhere close to $28/hour unless you've been there 2 years |
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| smuncky |
| quote: | Originally posted by kotsy
TTC Operators actually start at around $21/hour. It isn't anywhere close to $28/hour unless you've been there 2 years |
i posted the info a couple of pages ago. |
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| DeleteFromUsers |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sentinal
But there is good reason for the wages we get and I would challenge ANYONE to try it for a day and then ask if we deserve what we get. passengers would rather spit in my face than pay the 3.00 fare. We dont have ticket collectors here so I can't comment on their positiion.
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You actually want to get into a penis measuring contest on this matter?
Normally, a compelling argument is level-headed and respects its reader. Yours is rife with emotion and peppered with explicitly hateful thoughts. It's simply flame bait - and quite honestly only infuriates your reader (and indeed tax payers/customers) even more.
I think many here have worked in awful conditions for long hours at low pay. I can write down my personal experiences if you'd like.
Ultimately, you should be addressing the core issue: Your customers and taxpayers at large having to finance (by law, under penalty of fine and/or imprisonment) semi-skilled jobs with nearly impenetrable job security despite quality of service, profitability, sustainability, etc.
Those who work in the private sector face similar (and frequently more severe) working conditions, yet are subject to the whims of customer requirements, micro and macro economic forces, poor management, etc. all the while facing pay cuts, reduced hours, benefit reduction or elimination, layoffs, and termination based on criteria listed above.
We the public pay for public transit because it is a vital social requirement to have reasonably priced transportation to support the needs of all citizens. Investment should ~= return. |
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| LightsOut |
| quote: | Originally posted by DeleteFromUsers
You actually want to get into a penis measuring contest on this matter?
Normally, a compelling argument is level-headed and respects its reader. Yours is rife with emotion and peppered with explicitly hateful thoughts. It's simply flame bait - and quite honestly only infuriates your reader (and indeed tax payers/customers) even more.
I think many here have worked in awful conditions for long hours at low pay. I can write down my personal experiences if you'd like.
Ultimately, you should be addressing the core issue: Your customers and taxpayers at large having to finance (by law, under penalty of fine and/or imprisonment) semi-skilled jobs with nearly impenetrable job security despite quality of service, profitability, sustainability, etc.
Those who work in the private sector face similar (and frequently more severe) working conditions, yet are subject to the whims of customer requirements, micro and macro economic forces, poor management, etc. all the while facing pay cuts, reduced hours, benefit reduction or elimination, layoffs, and termination based on criteria listed above.
We the public pay for public transit because it is a vital social requirement to have reasonably priced transportation to support the needs of all citizens. Investment should ~= return. |
+1 well said, couldn't agree more. |
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| patpicos |
theres no ing way a ticker take or a pedal pusher should make $60k/yr based on a 1950 hrs/yr, period.
It requires no education, no innovation, nothing. the only reason its so high is because of unions
similarly, theres no ing way someone on an assembly line should make $30/hr ie GM/Chrysler/Ford etc just to bolt on a few screws and do mindless work.
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| Sentinal |
| quote: | Originally posted by DeleteFromUsers
You actually want to get into a penis measuring contest on this matter?
Normally, a compelling argument is level-headed and respects its reader. Yours is rife with emotion and peppered with explicitly hateful thoughts. It's simply flame bait - and quite honestly only infuriates your reader (and indeed tax payers/customers) even more.
I think many here have worked in awful conditions for long hours at low pay. I can write down my personal experiences if you'd like.
Ultimately, you should be addressing the core issue: Your customers and taxpayers at large having to finance (by law, under penalty of fine and/or imprisonment) semi-skilled jobs with nearly impenetrable job security despite quality of service, profitability, sustainability, etc.
Those who work in the private sector face similar (and frequently more severe) working conditions, yet are subject to the whims of customer requirements, micro and macro economic forces, poor management, etc. all the while facing pay cuts, reduced hours, benefit reduction or elimination, layoffs, and termination based on criteria listed above.
We the public pay for public transit because it is a vital social requirement to have reasonably priced transportation to support the needs of all citizens. Investment should ~= return. |
i'm finally back from work now. You should read what I posted after this, the part about coming off a bit too strong.....I was furious. I know we make good money, I'm not trying to deny that. But try to put yourself in my position. I come home from work (the exact same work that is being discussed and bashed in this thread) and I read three pages of people who realistically know very little about the job trying to discredit the job and the people that work it(me and Pett). I take it very personally as I am sure anybody would. I don't set my wages, I just try to do my job as best I can. I've worked in the private sector, anyone who knows me or reads my posts knows I worked for Citigroup not more than 8 weeks ago. I know job security is tough to get, but once again, if there was a large turnaround, what kind of drivers do you think would be on the road, terrible ones.
I take pride in what I do. Simply put. Even tonight not more than 1.5 hours ago, some lady was drunk out of her tree, and later told me today was the anniversary of her husband passing away. Well I let her ride for free, and helped her off the bus. Yes, there are some drivers out there that simply dont care or are jaded. There are bad people in every job. But I'm not going to start bashing people professions and their personal attribute based soley on their profession.
As for the overtime, there are a few reasons for it here in Mississauga. MT has recently increased the frequency of the buses on the busier routes to encourage more people to take the bus and get out of their cars, and that calls for more drivers. Until the number of drivers can be hired and trained, there is going to be an abundence of overtime. Also, strangely enoughthere is high turn around for new staff, some people simply can't hack the job and they quit. Thats right quit. The dream overpaid job that anybody supposedly can do. Then there are the bad drivers. Drivers still on the 9 month probation (the ones that get the lower wages that Kotcy and alex pointed out earlier) are on a zero tolerance basis. One mirror gets knocked off one paint job get traded with another vehicle and your gone. New drivers, such as myself, are still getting used to the 30', 40', and 60' vehicles. Since it takes about 2 years to hire a new employeee you can imagine that the process to replace drivers is a long one. I hope this sheads some light on why the O/T. I personally dont work O/T I'm exhausted by the end of the day. 8 hours of driving is a lot. it is the equivilent to driving to Chicago, 5 days a week. |
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| Sentinal |
| quote: | Originally posted by gummybear
i spent my day dealing with a client, her crackhead son and the police..i won't get into the gruesome details..but i don't even in get half that pay for having my mind and soul assaulted on a daily basis by the worst things you can imagine...but a fuctard ticket taker can make more than twice my salary for sitting on his ass...
i hate unions...:whip:
ps..i love my job..it's just heavy on the heart at times... |
You know, nobody on here will beleive this, because I am part of one, but I'm not a fan of unions either. Politically speaking i'm a conservative (please save the bashing on that for another time) I agree they can cause some serious problems, i.e. the TTC wildcat walkout a few years back.
Maybe it is because I'm still green and new to the job, but there isnt a day that goes by that I don't count my lucky stars for having the job that I do. A lot of the drivers take it for granted, mostly because they forget what it is like to work in the private sector. But our management CONSTANTLY remids us of how lucky we are.
I still remember the day of working in a morgue for 10/hr. Sucks, but I did it.
But this all goes back to what I've been saying earlier. I have the opportunity to make other people's lives just a little bit easier. Maybe its only 3.00, but to them it my be a lot. You never know. Because I'm in a position to do this, I try help to as much as reasonably possible.
There are many professions that deserve higher pay. Most jobs in fact. salaries have not increased with inflation since the 70's. Hence why men and women are working to sustain a household income now. But thats for another discussion I guess. Eventually if not already you will be recognized for being good at what you do and the money will follow then. It's like the old saying "if you are good at something you never do it for free". |
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