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Very Sad Day :( - The Pirate Bay Trial: The Official Verdict - Guilty (pg. 4)
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| evil_cookie |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
edit: google is not set up to assist people in the same manner as this site....there is a big difference between the two. |
You're right.
Google is much more extensive and resourceful in assisting people. |
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| Dr. Z |
Okay, before we repeat all the arguments that were repeated many many times, let us remember all the Music and Movie industry lobbyists that put pressure on the white house and in turn the Swedish government by suggesting trade sanctions on the country!! HELLOOO!!
These movie and music industry people are INSANE, and they diserve every movie and song stolen from them.
There is plenty of proof that this happened, it's just obviously not talked about here, but was covered in Sweden.
Think about it: multi bilion dollar music or movie industry is getting ruined by a small group of guys in Sweden that is outside the bounds of American law. What is the only feisable way to do this? Put pressure on the government; it's rediculous, and in my mind illegal. |
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| elFreak |
| quote: | Originally posted by StereoPrincess
lol. i bet it's still not as much as google makes off ads. |
google search uses bots, they cull everything from the internet and do bar sites from the engine if they receive complaints.
pirate bay knows what they are doing.
Can't afford your media? Quit macdonalds then. |
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| elFreak |
| quote: | Originally posted by Orko
We need to get rid of most IP laws anyways. This is just old money trying to protect them selves, so they don't have to evolve and adapt.
No, and nobody does. They spend an assload of money on colo-locations servers, including bandwidth. They have stated that they barely break even, and I believe them, because of what colo costs are.
If you have the income statement, please inform us, considering even the prosecution did not have accurate figures. |
you are just looking for excuses to justify taking people's hard work for free.
are you that poor? |
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| StereoPrincess |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dr. Z
Okay, before we repeat all the arguments that were repeated many many times, let us remember all the Music and Movie industry lobbyists that put pressure on the white house and in turn the Swedish government by suggesting trade sanctions on the country!! HELLOOO!!
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that is crazy!
and the motherchuckers dare to say that they are acting in the best interest of the artist and blah blah blah. i don't ing see that money going to artists. the artist gets paid a small amount compared to the billions of dollars being made from movies and music. ing fat bastards sitting in their office waiting for the floor to finally be removed from under their feet since they know that the system is about to go down. |
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| Orko |
I don't know how many of you actually followed the case, but the law failed, and it failed hard. Chem, you are right on a philosophical point of view, but the evidence against them was circumstantial at best.
Screen shots, doggy log files, and completely inaccurate data were the basis for this case. If you want to talk about upholding the law, how about actually reading the details of the case, rather than just saying they were guilty. They were not guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. |
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| elFreak |
| quote: | Originally posted by elFreak
you are just looking for excuses to justify taking people's hard work for free.
are you that poor? |
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| StereoPrincess |
| ^^^^elfreak - show us proof that any of that money goes to the artist and not some fat ****** that didn't do anything for the creative process. |
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| Orko |
| quote: | Originally posted by elFreak
you are just looking for excuses to justify taking people's hard work for free.
are you that poor? |
Nope, if we want to use the law, it has to go both ways. You brought up a point about them making money, lets stay on that. How much money did they make? Before you start throwing statements around, back up what you have to say.
The whole trial was built on faulty data, just like your statement. Everybody assumed, including the prosecution, about stats, and money figures. Nobody actually knew. |
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| dEsidEL |
and in other news..
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Wednesday, Apr. 15, 2009
Somali Pirates Are Getting Rich: A Look At The Profit Margins
By 24/7 Wall St.
Errol Flynn never had it this good in Captain Blood.
Being a Somali pirate looks like a profitable business from the outside and it is. The margins are as attractive as those in the software industry. Microsoft still makes 60% or better margins on its core Windows, business, and server operations. With the risks that the pirates take, they ought to do as well as that.
The New York Times did a piece last year in which it estimated that the pirates would bring in $50 million in 2008. That number will be higher this year, by as much as four times. ](See pictures of the brazen pirates of Somalia.)
Most information on hijacked ships is that the ransom paid to get them back is about $2 million per vessel and crew. In some cases, the pirates actually charge an additional fee for the ships which has been estimated as being as high as $5 million.
Based on 24/7 Wall St.'s evaluation of news reports, the Somali pirates are seizing near one ship per day now. This week, on a single day, they took over four vessels. Even though several large national navies including the US are policing the shipping channels to cut down piracy, the rate at which the pirates can grab prey is picked up fairly fast. The Somali pirates could take over between 80 and 120 vessels this year, and the figure is conservative. That would put their gross revenue as high as $200 million.
The pirates almost certainly pay protection to the head of the Puntland, Mohamud Muse Hirsi. Puntland is the region where most of the large "mother ships" that take the small pirate raiders out to sea, are located. For protection from international intervention on land, senior Puntland officials are probably getting a third of the take, or about $65 million.
The next largest expense is buying and keeping "mother ships" in good working order. The boats are usually trawlers which are, based on photos, about 100 feet long. One or two of these have been sunk by foreign navies, but they do not have to be replaced often. A large trawler built in the 1970s costs about $1 million. A trawler that is ten years old costs closer to $3 million. Some of the trawlers the pirates use were probably seized during their raids. Most research indicates that one out of three attempts by the pirates to hijack a ship succeeds. Covering enough ground to seize 120 vessels a year based on 400 attempts means that the pirates are probably running a dozen mother ships at any one time. The costs to "buy" and maintain those ships is about $3 million each per year, because a trawler that is seized for use and not ransomed is $3 million in revenue not taken in. Mother ship costs are at least $30 million, maybe $36 million. These are not annual costs. For each one sunk, the cost of replacement is $3 million. On a pro forma basis for operations, the cost of mother ships is $6 million.
Each mother ship works with four or five attack vessels, which are not unlike WWII PT boats, but are made of light-weight metal or composite instead of wood. Each of these has to run on two or more turbo diesels which put out 480 HP at 3,000 PRM. These are not engines which are likely to be used on any of the hijacked ships so they are probably one of the largest direct costs the pirates have. If the pirates operate 50 raiding boat it requires 100 engines. These cost as much as $15,000 each, so the cost of these is about $1.5 million. In most cases, they will not need to be replaced every year. The boat themselves are probably less than $50,000 for the 50 shells the total $2.5 million. Once again this is a one-time cost for those that are not sunk or abandoned.
Fuel for these diesels is probably very expensive but a lot of that can be taken from captured ships.
The pirates have to work with crews of mechanics, but their wages are probably modest.
Each mother ship and raider requires high- end GPS, radar and sonar. The best radars available for small ships run about $4,000. High end GSP system cost about $1,500, and sonar systems a little less than $1,000. All of the equipment runs about $400,000 for 12 trawlers and 50 raiders before installation costs. Once again, this is not an annual cost because most of the hardware can be used for several years.
The cost of what are called "extreme weather and marine" satellite phones from one of the two premier global providers, Iridium and GlobalStar, is $1,200 per unit. The cost of calls per minute is $5. Total cost for phones comes to $60,000 based on each team of pirates having two phones, and all of these probably get replaced each year due to damage. Assuming 100 minutes a month per phone and the total cost of airtime is $600,000.
Weapons are one of the largest single costs that Somali pirates have. According to a book on AK-47s from Amazon, the guns cost about $345. That is a total of $173,000 because each of 500 men is armed. The price for 9MM pistols on the black market runs about $200, for a total of $100,000. Browning 50 caliber machine guns are $14,000 each, with at least one per raider and two per mother ship for a total cost of just over $1 million. Rocket propelled grenades which are used in most raids run $3,000 and one is used in each of the 400 hijacking attempts for a total of $1.2 million. Total ammunition costs at $1 per bullet are $250,000.
Food and housing for 500 men and an average of 200 hostages has to be $10 a day, or $2.5 million a year.
Based on annual costs with pro forma calculations for things that have a life of more than a year, the expenses of operating the Somali pirate operation are $79 million. That puts the profit of the operation at over $120 million. It is worth contrasting that to the average income per capital in Somalia which is only about $600.
The pirate business is not going away. It is too profitable.
— Douglas A. McIntyre
See more pictures of modern piracy in Somalia.
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http://www.time.com/time/business/a...id=rss-business
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| elFreak |
i spend an insane amount of money to buy records and import them from germany. These same labels are often run bu the artist, so i think they are getting my money. I spend this much and then see little pricks playing vynil only tracks mixed through ableton (ie: how do you mix mp3's if they were never released?).
Now prove me that the artists get no money.
that's right, once again you are trying to justify taking someone else's hard work for free, because you are too cheap or poor to acknowledge that they deserve money for the job that they do. Assuming you even have a job, would you like to do it for free?
get real.
theft is theft and nothing you say will make me think anything other than you are cheap or poor. |
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| elFreak |
| quote: | Originally posted by Orko
Nope, if we want to use the law, it has to go both ways. You brought up a point about them making money, lets stay on that. How much money did they make? Before you start throwing statements around, back up what you have to say.
The whole trial was built on faulty data, just like your statement. Everybody assumed, including the prosecution, about stats, and money figures. Nobody actually knew. |
i don't know how much money they make, that easy.
do you think people deserve to not get paid for something you enjoy?
answer that one.
the law, that is not cool.
have a conscience, if you love an artist, why would you not support what he does?
because you are a cheap with a false sense of entitlement, that's why. |
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