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Very Sad Day :( - The Pirate Bay Trial: The Official Verdict - Guilty (pg. 6)
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| VERTiG0 |
| quote: | Originally posted by echo_12
When an artist copies another |
And furthermore, I |
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| chinamon |
| quote: | Originally posted by StereoPrincess
i don't think you understand the idea of pirate bay.
these guys themselves don't actually have any servers or anything offering free stuff to download. they are not the ones that record or steal the material. they aren't even the ones that download it. they just run a site where people happen to share files and it's not like they control what files are shared. they don't even know what files are being shared technically. |
even if they didnt know what was on the servers, they still did provide a means for people to share files of any nature.
think of it this way...
if a friend gave you a package to give to another friend but you have no idea what it contained... and the cops busted you with the package and there was illicit narcotics in it... you will be charged. |
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| Dr. Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by chinamon
even if they didnt know what was on the servers, they still did provide a means for people to share files of any nature.
think of it this way...
if a friend gave you a package to give to another friend but you have no idea what it contained... and the cops busted you with the package and there was illicit narcotics in it... you will be charged. |
Put it this way (it's a better representation of pirate bay, since it deals with data, not material goods).
If a client (friend) gave you a data (package) to give to another friend but you have no idea what it contained, and the cops busted you with the package and there was illicit copyrighted material in it... will you be charged? Oh and by the way, you are considered the ISP in this case.
-or maybe you're considered the company who laid out the cables in the ground
-or maybe you're considered the cable guy who set up the router in your house
-or maybe you're considered the ...
give me a break.. |
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| chinamon |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dr. Z
Put it this way (it's a better representation of pirate bay, since it deals with data, not material goods).
If a client (friend) gave you a data (package) to give to another friend but you have no idea what it contained, and the cops busted you with the package and there was illicit copyrighted material in it... will you be charged? Oh and by the way, you are considered the ISP in this case.
-or maybe you're considered the company who laid out the cables in the ground
-or maybe you're considered the cable guy who set up the router in your house
-or maybe you're considered the ...
give me a break.. |
no its different. in the scenario that i gave, the car manufacturer (if you drove) or the company that made your shoes or whatever.. they will not be charged. |
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| echo_12 |
| quote: | Originally posted by VERTiG0
And furthermore, I |
oh my bad, i thought we were starting a sentence train... |
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| patpicos |
| quote: | Originally posted by Orko
We need to get rid of most IP laws anyways. This is just old money trying to protect them selves, so they don't have to evolve and adapt.
No, and nobody does. They spend an assload of money on colo-locations servers, including bandwidth. They have stated that they barely break even, and I believe them, because of what colo costs are.
If you have the income statement, please inform us, considering even the prosecution did not have accurate figures. |
colo and bw costs are minimal in .se .nl and most .eu countries! |
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| patpicos |
this busts has little to no impact on piracy.
It only deals with the last piece of the puzzle and is far far far away from the source.
If you want to know about hitting the source, read on operation buccaneer 5-8 yrs ago |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by Orko
They were not guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. |
I'm on your side, but let's not get legal concepts mixed up here. The "beyond a reasonable doubt" standard applies only to criminal proceedings. Copyright infringement is a tort, proceedings happen in civil court and the plaintiff only needs to convince a judge on the "balance of probability".
Arguably, civil courts should require a higher standard of proof, but it's usually the same anti-corporate lobbyists who always oppose any kind of tort reform. |
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| Orko |
| ^^ I thought this was a criminal trial, considering they got jail time. Had it been just a civil matter, the fine would have been the end of it. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by Orko
^^ I thought this was a criminal trial, considering they got jail time. Had it been just a civil matter, the fine would have been the end of it. |
I think you're right... somehow that didn't click when I first read it, because I've never in my life heard of a criminal trial over a copyright violation, and the mind tends to ignore things that don't make sense.
Wow, Sweden is seriously ed up. |
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| Dr. Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
I think you're right... somehow that didn't click when I first read it, because I've never in my life heard of a criminal trial over a copyright violation, and the mind tends to ignore things that don't make sense.
Wow, Sweden is seriously ed up. |
It's not Sweden. It's the American lobbyists. Watch Steal This Movie Part 1. They interview a whole bunch of people. |
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| Orko |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
I think you're right... somehow that didn't click when I first read it, because I've never in my life heard of a criminal trial over a copyright violation, and the mind tends to ignore things that don't make sense.
Wow, Sweden is seriously ed up. |
That's because Sweden passed laws to make copyright infringement a criminal offense in the last few years. The PB specifically laughed at the media industry because Sweden did not have the same laws as other developed nations, so they were able to share, and disseminate material freely, without fear.
The PB was then raided in 2006, but they were up and running within a week. Since then, the lobbiest got in, and help to push through the new laws. Now Sweden has gone from one of the most lenient countries, to one of the toughest ones against copyright infringement.
Yes, Sweden's laws are ed, but we are jumping in head first. ACTA looks like it is going to be pushed through, and because it is not a law, but a treaty, it does not have to be voted on by our house. The powers that be (sitting party), can just sign this treaty as they see fit. The treaty is supposed to fight piracy, but they are hiding details by saying it pertains to national security. |
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