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WE NEED A MODERATOR !! (pg. 3)
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| Beatflux |
| I think a mod or two is a good idea. People around here can't help but veer off topic and into a ditch. That stupid iPod thread got 11 replies...I mean come on.:whip: |
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| DJ RANN |
Aye.
I have been campaigning for a mod for years, and those of you who are oldschool enough ;) , know how much better these forums were when there was a bit of moderation shown. Check some of the other international forums - the moment BS is detected it gets shuts down and they are more productive and useful because of it.
I second the nominations of theran and Matthjis but would also be happy to see Mr Mystery and Diginut as mods as well. (You know Mystery would be ing funny).
God, can you imagine the the chronoforum? :haha:
I don't know where you came from chrono, but in the few short months you've been on here you really have contributed very little that is meaingingful or useful to this forum.
Honestly speaking, I haven't seen anyone cause so many deeply stupid threads/flamewars on here in a very, very long time.
The people you say are "so bad" are people I respect and have seen contribute heavily to this forum and to EDM, for no other reason that to help others and give something back. You could really learn a lot by paying more attention to them.
Let's get everyone in favor to post on here then send the list to swamper, and keep sending it until they let us have some mods. :) |
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| Storyteller |
| quote: | Originally posted by cronodevir
People like Subtle, DJ RANN, palm, coroknight, Theran, Storyteller, and diginut react absurdly to stuff that isn't even confrontational. Most of them are so bad that they loose arguments, but still try to bring arguments up they lost against someone, in new arguments that they start. That shows a lack of reasoning in my opinion. That plus in the last month Ive witnessed each of them start a flame war. [well, not storyteller] |
Interesting. From what I've seen here in the last 5 years I actually hold Rann and diginut in high regard for their accurate technical know-how. Allthough I too have seen some wars evolving around their posts they often where spot-on from my perspective. I think it often were others that turned it into crap.
Last months I mostly noticed you and Kismet7 with some posts that I would rate 'off the charts' in any type of 'not-so-smart-chart'. Based on the music Kismet7 has made I'd have to give him the benifit of the doubt at some point. Even though I it's not really my thing, it is certainly well produced.
You (Cronodevir) where on an incredible roll yourself at this huge discussion about Linux (out of nowhere) where you kept on including new arguments that weren't part of the discussion before.
I'm not saying I'm a saint. I personally love the occasional rant and flamewar. It's just (too much) fun sometimes :toothless. But I'd love to see the amount of helpful/valuable compared to posts go up a bit compared to where it is now. |
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| RichieV |
| quote: | Originally posted by Storyteller
Based on the music Kismet7 has made I'd have to give him the benifit of the doubt at some point. Even though I it's not really my thing, it is certainly well produced.
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Can you direct me to where i can listen. |
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| Storyteller |
Beatport.
search for Kismet7.
He's got a couple of releases on one of Armada's sublabels. |
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| cronodevir |
Ive been here awhile, I just recently decided to not hold anything back. Most of the time when you have a setting full of people who seem to get along, the odds are its because the/a few of those that disagree do not speak. I realized that and said screw being quiet. The problem I would see with a mods is...only their opinion will be what is considered useful. It will be much like Wikipedia, where the mods ultimately decide what stays and what goes. Which is why Wikipedia has failed.
For instance, a new guy comes to the forum, new to producing, and someone tells him to get either Logic or Cubase. Why? Why waste so much money on those programs [assuming he is going to pay for them in the first place] When he doesn't even know if he wants to produce really or not? So..What do I do? I suggest FL, why? Because the cheapest FL you can get is 99 bucks, and its enough for someone to use to gauge whether or not they want to produce. What happens when this is said?..it turns into a "fl is better than cubase" flamewar.
Other than that, its the complete overreaction by some people that start problems. Like with Diginut and the Mozart comment, his comment about my post was completely random and out of the blue, totally unrelated what so ever. Yet it caused a debate. I still don't know wtf he was talking about, something about insulting Mozart or another. Regardless, he was out of line and he was mumbling stuff that made no sense. Worse part was people, who seen he made no sense, agreed with him because of this invisible popularity he has. |
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| Beatflux |
| quote: | Originally posted by Storyteller
Beatport.
search for Kismet7.
He's got a couple of releases on one of Armada's sublabels. |
Do you mean "Kismet?" |
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| Storyteller |
@crono: Some very valid points. (I don't agree on the Wikipedia part. Wikipedia in my eyes is succesfull and most times fairly accurate. Accurate enough to be of use to many people. -don't want to get too offtopic)
I'd have to agree with you on the second paragraph. It's just that narrow minded view of "many pro's use it, it's omg". I personally use a 50Euro sequencer that works vertically instead of horizontal. F other sequencers :p. I own Cubase too though. For these topics moderators would be extremely useful. It would stop those rants and, ideally, turn it into a topic where everyone has their say, regardless of someone elses opinions and without bashing someone for having a different opinion.
(offtopic) Soon I'll be workin in a Logic based studio as well (48 track mixer, seperate recording room, lots of gear:D). After that I'll have worked hands on with Reason, Cubase, Ableton, Logic, Renoise, FLstudio, Buzz and some older non-vsti capable sequencers. I feel somewhat entitled to have a say on sequencers :). I've released tracks commercially written with Ableton, Cubase, Reason and Renoise.
| quote: | Originally posted by Beatflux
Do you mean "Kismet?" |
Yea, sorry :). |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by cronodevir
Ive been here awhile, I just recently decided to not hold anything back.
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Lucky us. The linux thread was one of several that went completely off the rails
| quote: | Originally posted by cronodevir
For instance, a new guy comes to the forum, new to producing, and someone tells him to get either Logic or Cubase. Why? Why waste so much money on those programs [assuming he is going to pay for them in the first place] When he doesn't even know if he wants to produce really or not? So..What do I do? I suggest FL, why? Because the cheapest FL you can get is 99 bucks, and its enough for someone to use to gauge whether or not they want to produce. What happens when this is said?..it turns into a "fl is better than cubase" flamewar.
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No because not everyone on here talks only in absolutes and can actually empathize with what might be good for someone (or everyone) else. For instance "FL is good on a budget or starting out but cubase or logic can be more powerful for other tasks etc."
You've never been able to do this becuase you only care what works for you (such as the latency thread) and therefore many of your posts are simply meaningless to everyone else on here apart from you.
| quote: | Originally posted by cronodevir
Other than that, its the complete overreaction by some people that start problems. Like with Diginut and the Mozart comment, his comment about my post was completely random and out of the blue, totally unrelated what so ever. Yet it caused a debate. I still don't know wtf he was talking about, something about insulting Mozart or another. Regardless, he was out of line and he was mumbling stuff that made no sense. Worse part was people, who seen he made no sense, agreed with him because of this invisible popularity he has. |
I don't know what 95% of the threads you contribute to are about becuase so many of them have descended in to flame wars or nonsensical banter. It's not a conspiracy amongst some of the more weathered and knowledegeable people to give you "WTF" so often - you're posts contain such inflammatory content sometimes and I've truly realised that you don't see it so I just leave them alone now.
Oh, and thanks for making it official that the Wiki has "failed". I'm sure they are devastated and they'll close the site now :rolleyes:
(.....see what I mean about absolutes?) |
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| cronodevir |
Most things are absolutely absolute.
The Linux thread was fine. I don't see an issue in that discussion.
I wouldn't say "Fl is good for the beginner but logic[lol?] or cubase are more powerful", simply because that is not true. As I mentioned before Cubase doesn't do anything that can't be done in FL. And that is absolutely the truth. Saying something else would be lying. And I don't lie.
As for Wikipedia, yeah its pretty bad, unless its something technical, I wouldn't trust it. Ive actively seen mods close down undeniable facts on the basis of them not being politically correct. |
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| Storyteller |
| quote: | Originally posted by cronodevir
Most things are absolutely absolute.
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And yet I'd say an equal amount of things are relatively relative ;).
| quote: | Originally posted by cronodevir
Ive actively seen mods close down undeniable facts on the basis of them not being politically correct. |
Well that's exactly what we would need right here. More political correctness from everyone :D. +1 for new mods hahaha. |
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| DigiNut |
Bizarre comment about Wikipedia having failed because of the administrators - the administrators work tirelessly and are the primary reason why Wikipedia has succeeded as well as it has.
I'd also like to point out that the purpose of moderation is chiefly to weed out spam or other inappropriate content. It's not a conflict of interest when a moderator decides to get into an argument - it only becomes one when said mod reacts by taking administrative action when none was necessary (or refusing to take action when it clearly was necessary). And that is why you generally have at least two mods, and a site administrator (Del).
The reality is, no matter who you pick (that is assuming you get anywhere with instating someone), he/she will occasionally make mistakes or act with bias, because people are human. I can't count the number of "why was my thread closed/deleted?" threads I've seen. And of course those threads get closed/deleted because they are obviously inappropriate, and then come the conspiracy theories. The only alternative to this is an absentee mod.
I think before people get too excited and start talking (arguing) about who to nominate, they should try to clear the issue with Swamper first. There's no sense in wasting time on something that would ultimately go nowhere. If he okays it, then you can start asking the "nominees" what they actually intend to do, and decide for yourselves who you think would be best.
We're in anarchy right now, or so it's believed - might as well replace it with a quasi-democracy and not a dictatorship. |
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