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Government mandated sterilization (pg. 3)
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| Joss Weatherby |
To quote a Steve Martin movie with a line delivered by the most bodacious Keanu Reeves...
| quote: | | You know, Mrs. Buckman, you need a license to buy a dog, to drive a car - hell, you even need a license to catch a fish. But they'll let any butt-reaming be a father. |
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| tubularbills |
i'm surprised you didn't mention catholics too, benjamin:rolleyes:
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| astroboy |
| I wish there was some objective way to test people for fitness for parenthood. Plenty of rich able-bodied people out there that really shouldn't be entrusted to care for a child. |
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| Ian |
| quote: | Originally posted by astroboy
I wish there was some objective way to test people for fitness for parenthood. Plenty of rich able-bodied people out there that really shouldn't be entrusted to care for a child. |
exactly. Stopping chavs etc would be a start but money & higher class doesn't make you good parents. Look at Madeline mccann. her parents are doctors so not as much was made for leaving 3 kids alone in a foreign country, but if it was a builder or a postman or something they'd have been crucified by the press. |
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| boris_the_bear |
| quote: | Originally posted by gehzumteufel
Do you believe in the forced sterilization of people that are totally unfit to birth and care for children?
I do. Homeless, drug addicts, the mentally retarded, and the likes should be imho.
discuss. :) |
should be applicable only to mentally retarded persons and others who are likely to give birth to a child with severe health issues... mutation, AIDS, various genetic problems etc. homeless and drug addicts should have the right to give birth. raising the child in proper conditions is another matter. |
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| Nrg2Nfinit |
| quote: | Originally posted by Armitage
actually i think it's zero steps away from eugenics. |
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OP
Do you believe in the forced sterilization of people that are totally unfit to birth and care for children?
I do. Homeless, drug addicts, the mentally retarded, and the likes should be imho.
discuss.
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Eugenics is "the study of, or belief in, the possibility of improving the qualities of the human species or a human population by such means as discouraging reproduction by persons having genetic defects or presumed to have inheritable undesirable traits (negative eugenics) or encouraging reproduction by persons presumed to have inheritable desirable traits (positive eugenics)."[2]
Idiot, yet i still wouldn't wish to bestow this on you. |
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| Brian Scott |
Perhaps introduce it as a means of punishment for those who have committed heinous crimes?
The US government: cleaning the gene pool one perp at a time! |
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| Nrg2Nfinit |
| quote: | Originally posted by Brian Scott
Perhaps introduce it as a means of punishment for those who have committed heinous crimes?
The US government: cleaning the gene pool one perp at a time! |
how can you be so hypocrytical when your religious group was simply exterminated for their beliefs?
don't you see some kind of irony here? or is this the eye for an eye mentality gone berzerk.
Can i ask you what is so heinous about losing your job and your work? Or having an adiction to substances? or being born with a disability? |
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| nchs09 |
| quote: | Originally posted by gehzumteufel
Do you believe in the forced sterilization of people that are totally unfit to birth and care for children?
I do. Homeless, drug addicts, the mentally retarded, and the likes should be imho.
discuss. :) |
What if a homeless guy gets a job... and becomes a contributing member of society? |
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| squirrelly |
Two words.
"yukii" and "krypton"
'nuff said :o |
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| Brian Scott |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit
how can you be so hypocrytical when your religious group was simply exterminated for their beliefs?
don't you see some kind of irony here? or is this the eye for an eye mentality gone berzerk.
Can i ask you what is so heinous about losing your job and your work? Or having an adiction to substances? or being born with a disability? |
What part of "heinous crimes" did you not understand? |
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| gehzumteufel |
This spawned exactly what I wanted. I was purposely broad, as I know that most of the situations I mentioned, could very easily turn out the opposite.
| quote: | Originally posted by ********
Goverment might object to my list.
No.
"The right people" is a totalitarian mentality. /
Also there is no saying that the offspring will be "unhealthy.
Peoples personal bodies should be inviolable. |
Who ever said "the right people"?
| quote: | Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit
you do realize that is just one step away from eugenics
i think if a person is disabled they should be able to have kids depending on their disability. These days we have genetic screening to detect defects and probability. Lets say its a recessive gene and the other partner doesnt have it then why not let them reproduce.
No one should be force steralized
drug addicts can recover
Homeless can recover. Some homeless used to be multimillionairs that lost it all. They just need help
So i disagree with your philosophy hitler :p
edit just kidding about that hitler haha |
It is eugenics, in a different fashion. You reacted the drug addicts and homelessness as I expected, flat out polarized.
What about those people that have 2,3,4 kids while all drugged up for 15 years? I know it sounds harsh, but it is an unnecessary burden on the system and the people.
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
The poster boy for that idea is right here:
Desmond Hatchett. 29 years old. 21 kids with at least 13 women. Had 4 kids in a single year TWICE. Works a minimum wage job. Pays about $1.98 per month in child support to each woman after the scraps are sorted out.
SNIP ING SNIP! |
lol this was one of the reasons I created the thread.
| quote: | Originally posted by EddieZilker
I believe that anyone who demonstrates the capacity or will to hold unto one or more people a campaign which would deprive them of their reproductive rights ought to be sterilized immediately! |
Why? This is just as irrational as my possible reasonings.
| quote: | Originally posted by Domesticated
Yes, you're a perfect example. |
Cool. What time is my appointment?
| quote: | Originally posted by Darkarbiter
I agree that is a pretty terrible thing... however there are some pretty extreme cases.
How about a 4 kid limit imposed upon certain people? |
And how would we determine who would need the limit?
| quote: | Originally posted by idoru
While I do agree that many people are unfit to be parents, it just feels wrong to me to impose outright bans on certain people reproducing.
Who are we to judge that somebody will be unfit to raise a child, and who are we to say that they will? I can sit here and say, "Hey, Ben seems like he'd make a great dad," when in fact he may ultimately, for one reason or another, turn out to utterly ruin the child's life. You'd still be allowing for a huge number of potential -ups.
Who are we to say, as previously said in this thread, that all homeless and drug addicts should be sterilized? What, people can't get back on their feet? Once homeless, always homeless? Once a drug addict, always a drug addict? , Ben, you can't be serious, can you?
Maybe, maybe I can see a case-by-case basis being implemented, but no. Bull. I'm sorry, but as much as I like to sit back and complain about how many horrible parents there are, there's absolutely no way to judge who will or won't be a good parent. You could be in the tiest situation yet still raise a successful child.
I mean, , look at Chris Gardner (the guy Will Smith played in The Pursuit of Happyness). He had custody of his child while he was homeless, living out of church shelters and, of all things, subway bathrooms. Where is he now? CEO with a net worth of $165 million and a son who, when asked about homelessness during his childhood, responds, "I couldn't tell you that we were homeless, I just knew that we were always having to go. So, if anything, I remember us just moving, always moving." Would you have agreed to allow him to be fertile if you knew him when he was homeless and completely down on his luck?
I'm sorry, but to allow others to pass such a broad, sweeping judgment upon someone else is completely asinine. |
I don't advocate having some sort of evaluation for parents that have the means, and all the things needed to raise a child. I am talking about people such as the mentally ill that do not have the capacity. I think that evaluating regular people like you and me, would be a very slippery slope that would result in a lot of false positives for both the "good" and the "bad" deemed parents.
| quote: | Originally posted by we_R_DNA
I believe in the freedom of the people for the people and for you to come up here preaching this eugenics pisses me off. . .
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So, your only solution is to be irrational and not think things through?
| quote: | Originally posted by tubularbills
i'm surprised you didn't mention catholics too, benjamin:rolleyes:
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lol While I do not advocate religion, I don't think there is a reason to sterilize people for their religious view.
| quote: | Originally posted by astroboy
I wish there was some objective way to test people for fitness for parenthood. Plenty of rich able-bodied people out there that really shouldn't be entrusted to care for a child. |
Agreed, but where would you draw the line? |
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