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Homosexual Matrimony (pg. 6)
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| R.j. |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
I don't understand. |
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The operative words (in this case), of course, being "man" and "woman"
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What I meant is that, since we're arguing about what two entities that make up (or should make up) a marriage, I focused on those two entities in my statement as opposed to what a marriage, excluding the two entities, means. |
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| Lews |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
To be fair to the guy, there's a difference between thinking something is unnatural and wanting to destroy it. There's no need to paint him as genocidal. |
I know there's a big difference. But when you start painting someone as unnatural, you make them less than human. And when you do that, you make it less of a problem to persecute and hurt them.
Humans always work to make the "enemy" less than them so that it doesn't hurt the attacker so much to see what they're doing to their fellow man.
It just makes me sad that people think we need to "tolerate" same sex marriage and homosexuals and that they are unnatural or less than human. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by R.j.
What I meant is that, since we're arguing about what two entities that make up (or should make up) a marriage, I focused on those two entities in my statement as opposed to what a marriage, excluding the two entities, means. |
I still don't understand. You've given no reason why marriage should involve those particular "entities" and no reason why all those values of love and trust that would make society decent are suddenly invalidated if different "entities" are in play.
It's not as though heterosexual couples don't abuse the concept of marriage, is it? Surely the importance of marriage as a beneficial social tool is the maintenance of its benevolent values, not the people those values are shared between. |
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| R.j. |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lews
I know there's a big difference. But when you start painting someone as unnatural, you make them less than human. And when you do that, you make it less of a problem to persecute and hurt them.
Humans always work to make the "enemy" less than them so that it doesn't hurt the attacker so much to see what they're doing to their fellow man.
It just makes me sad that people think we need to "tolerate" same sex marriage and homosexuals and that they are unnatural or less than human. |
You can think what you want, but I simply "painted" homosexuals as "humans" committing a certain aberration. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lews
I know there's a big difference. But when you start painting someone as unnatural, you make them less than human. And when you do that, you make it less of a problem to persecute and hurt them. |
Not really. Think of that old question: "What makes us human?" It usually means what seperates us from the order of nature and makes us unique from other animals. "Natural" and "human" are not synonyms. |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| Do you respect your father, R.j.? |
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| R.j. |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
I still don't understand. You've given no reason why marriage should involve those particular "entities" and no reason why all those values of love and trust that would make society decent are suddenly invalidated if different "entities" are in play.
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Don't understand what? What more do you want explained when somebody says "A marriage should be between a man and a woman"? |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by R.j.
Don't understand what? What more do you want explained when somebody says "A marriage should be between a man and a woman"? |
Why. |
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| R.j. |
| And I'm not saying that, if a man and man married, love, trust, etc. goes out the window. I'm 100% sure homosexual spouses are capable of keeping a relationship. But when you term their relationship a marriage, the idea of "marriage" then becomes corrupted. |
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| R.j. |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Why. |
Because tradition dictates that marriage is a man + a woman. Simple concept.
edit: Like I said, I'm not about to approve a break of that tradition. Were it to be that gay marriage at some point became the norm, then I would certainly tolerate it. But I wouldn't be happy about it. |
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| Renzo |
Don't theists, more specifically those who believe in what the Bible teaches, believe homosexuality is unnatural?
That would be one reason why people object to it. |
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| R.j. |
| quote: | Originally posted by Renzo
Don't theists, more specifically those who believe in what the Bible teaches, believe homosexuality is unnatural?
That would be one reason why people object to it. |
I've read half of the Old Testament. I'm pretty sure that's more than most people.
Unfortunately, I don't/didn't believe any of it. |
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