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Homosexual Matrimony (pg. 9)
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| Esiotrat |
| quote: | Originally posted by R.j.
Misguided? As though someone against gay marriage were incapable of genuinely thinking, even with a bit of extrinsic influence (we are all influenced, for that matter), that gay marriage is unnatural.
Look, neither I nor you are going to agree. You have your views, and I have mine. I am not going to harp upon the "man + woman" issue anymore because, like I said, we're going to arrive at that impasse. You think it's irrelevant whether a man and woman or man and man validates a marriage (and therefore everything that comes with a marriage), and I think it's relevant.
Sooooo..... yeah. |
You said yourself that marriage is a union and should have trust, honesty, love, understanding (etc..)... Nothing homosexuals can't accomplish.
It is currently a privelege allowed only to heterosexual couples. There is no justifiable basis for this, there is no discernable gain to this, and it is a vile display of prejudice and discrimination.
Now, get back to trying to defend it. |
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| Lady Gaga |
| I'm sort of gay. |
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| ToF |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lady Gaga
I'm sort of gay. |
YAY time to play whos new alt? |
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| Lilith |
| quote: | Originally posted by R.j.
And no, I don't think homosexuals are filth. But when you really break it down, homosexuality, whether you think so or not, is in one sense or another unnatural. |
North Americans seem to have a pragmatic view about what is 'unnatural' when it suits them, its simply a product of a demented society which considers sex shameful and violence is a form of entertainment. |
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| Lady Gaga |
| Gays deserve their rights. They know I have their back. |
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| Esiotrat |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lilith
North Americans seem to have a pragmatic view about what is 'unnatural' when it suits them, its simply a product of a demented society which considers sex shameful and violence is a form of entertainment. |
The sheer, blatant, and often vehemently defended intolerance in America shocks me on a daily basis.. I'd like someone to tell me exactly what about homosexual relationships and homosexual people is so deadly and horrible to our society. Because, quite frankly, all the problems I see are coming from the people who claim that gays cause such apocalyptic issues... Really, if everyone stopped bitching for a moment and actually just let gays have the same rights as the rest of the world, maybe we'd notice a slight improvement in the way things are. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Enigmatik
The sheer, blatant, and often vehemently defended intolerance in America shocks me on a daily basis.. I'd like someone to tell me exactly what about homosexual relationships and homosexual people is so deadly and horrible to our society. Because, quite frankly, all the problems I see are coming from the people who claim that gays cause such apocalyptic issues... Really, if everyone stopped bitching for a moment and actually just let gays have the same rights as the rest of the world, maybe we'd notice a slight improvement in the way things are. |
I find it amazing that “free speech” apparently extends to corporate entities and their bribery of elected officials, but not to two hot women who want to say “I do” before getting down in a serious tribbing extravaganza. |
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| boris_the_bear |
| quote: | Originally posted by jupiterone
a good parent is a good parent regardless of race, gender or sex |
yeah. three homosexual fathers for every child. better make it four. good parents regardless of them destroying the vital institution of family :rolleyes: ffs could you be a little more forward-looking than just "oh poor gays give them their right to hump". , with such rate of "tolerance" and "liberty" your son would soon be ed up the ass by your gay neighbor screaming "discrimination" when you try to stop him |
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| Sushipunk |
| quote: | Originally posted by boris_the_bear
yeah. three homosexual fathers for every child. better make it four. good parents regardless of them destroying the vital institution of family :rolleyes: don't get me started... |
Who the said anything about 3 or 4 parents? :conf:
Ok, considering the institution of marriage, we have to consider that it fails regularly. So, do you think that a single gay male or female parent would be worse than a single straight male or female parent? |
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| boris_the_bear |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sushipunk
Who the said anything about 3 or 4 parents? :conf:
Ok, considering the institution of marriage, we have to consider that it fails regularly. So, do you think that a single gay male or female parent would be worse than a single straight male or female parent? |
1. marriage fails regularly? you're too pessimistic about the future. how do you back it? just because 51% of couples get divorced doesn't mean that the remaining 49% of marriages don't do any good for the future generations. btw, are you claiming that marriage (i.e. family) is an pointless social element and should be abolished? if no, then statistics shouldn't mean a thing to you.
2. since q1. is not yet ultimately proved, comparing a single gay parent to a single heterosexual parent is irrelevant imo
too bad i can't continue this conversation as i got to go to work :p |
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| idoru |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lilith
North Americans seem to have a pragmatic view about what is 'unnatural' when it suits them, its simply a product of a demented society which considers sex shameful and violence is a form of entertainment. |
Amen. |
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| Sushipunk |
| quote: | Originally posted by boris_the_bear
1. marriage fails regularly? you're too pessimistic about the future. how do you back it? just because 51% of couples get divorced doesn't mean that the remaining 49% of marriages don't do any good for the future generations. btw, are you claiming that marriage (i.e. family) is an pointless social element and should be abolished? if no, then statistics shouldn't mean a thing to you.
2. since q1. is not yet ultimately proved, comparing a single gay parent to a single heterosexual parent is irrelevant imo
too bad i can't continue this conversation as i got to go to work :p |
To address your points:
1. I'm more pessimistic now. I didn't realise the statistics were as high as 51%. Surely you would call that 'regularly'?
I never said anything about abolishing marriage, or a traditional family unit. I do think, though, that it might be a little naive of you to think that the other 49% of people are doing a great job of parenting. If you're married with children, does that AUTOMATICALLY make you a good parent? I think not.
2. I didn't ask for proof about gay single parents raising children, I asked for your opinion on the matter.
Are you generally homophobic? If you found out that one of your best friends was gay, would you instantly change your opinion of them? I'm not asking in order to put you down, I'm just curious. |
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