Originally posted by ********
The indivisible thing is the catch all
one nation Under god indivisible - which basically means the nation is god, god is the nation - of course God is a germanic diety that is loaned in the bible where "Yaweh or Jehova YWH should be sort of weird that you would substitute the name of the diety for another one.
"The nation is the church of the people. = the assembly of peoples"
This is like the whole canadian anthem things "in all our sons command" - the whole GOD KEEP OUR LAND GLORIOUS AND FREE -
"in god we trust" - is the federal reserve the state?
How do you really recraft that.
Go flag go, go america? run batta bata?
or for in god we trust (one among many?)
or this is mint
"NOT COUNTERFIT!"
guthan
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jonSun
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Originally posted by jupiterone
also:
one of the best movies evar
Spam
Seperation of church and state =/= Seperation of God and state.
God is a concept, and not necesarrily a religious one. Lots of people believe in God, without following any specific religion.
jupiterone
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Originally posted by jonSun
one of the best movies evar
hahaha seriously, both 1 and 2. 80's comedy was awesome :(
gehzumteufel
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Originally posted by Spam
Seperation of church and state =/= Seperation of God and state.
God is a concept, and not necesarrily a religious one. Lots of people believe in God, without following any specific religion.
The concept of god in the context of which they refer, is religious in scope.
Halcyon+On+On
I simply stopped saying it after the age of about 10 or so. I went to DODDS though, so I guess there was an actual penalty if they caught us not doing it? It never made sense to me. What can they do to kids that refuse to recite it?
Why can't they just change it to 'In God Some Trust'?
Spam
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Originally posted by gehzumteufel
The concept of god in the context of which they refer, is religious in scope.
How so? All I see is that "God" is referenced as a being, presumably with the power to protect the country. I see nothing in either reference that would indicate the belief in any particular religion, or set of moral values.
DjWhooCares
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Originally posted by woscar
well i know that, but why cant atheists (or whomever complains about this bull) go and complain about something that actually matters. catch my drift ese?
gehzumteufel
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Originally posted by Spam
How so? All I see is that "God" is referenced as a being, presumably with the power to protect the country. I see nothing in either reference that would indicate the belief in any particular religion, or set of moral values.
Because the people who added it intended it towards a Christian god.
Spam
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Originally posted by gehzumteufel
Because the people who added it intended it towards a Christian god.
Their intent back then has very little to do with the what the sentences convey now, 250 years later. Both phrases are generic, and without knowing the history of the United States, it would be nearly impossible to prove that either phrase was intended to reference the Christian God. Since this is the case, I see no reason to abolish either phrase based on religious offense. I would even say that itīs prudent to keep them, as IF a concious God exists, it may be wise to continue to ask for Itīs protection.
Lews
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Originally posted by Spam
Their intent back then has very little to do with the what the sentences convey now, 250 years later. Both phrases are generic, and without knowing the history of the United States, it would be nearly impossible to prove that either phrase was intended to reference the Christian God. Since this is the case, I see no reason to abolish either phrase based on religious offense. I would even say that itīs prudent to keep them, as IF a concious God exists, it may be wise to continue to ask for Itīs protection.
Pay the attention please.
Joss Weatherby
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Originally posted by Spam
Their intent back then has very little to do with the what the sentences convey now, 250 years later. Both phrases are generic, and without knowing the history of the United States, it would be nearly impossible to prove that either phrase was intended to reference the Christian God. Since this is the case, I see no reason to abolish either phrase based on religious offense. I would even say that itīs prudent to keep them, as IF a concious God exists, it may be wise to continue to ask for Itīs protection.
You're an idiot. It was added as a ward against communism in the 1950 by Eisenhower. The previous 170 years before that it wasn't in the pledge.
