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Real cause of earthquakes... (pg. 3)
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| Jennifer_P_ |
| quote: | Originally posted by FunkyCrew
I won't even touch on the cover-ups they have to wear to walk on the streets, that's a whole other topic for discussion. |
...the topic makes me sad for them ~ as does the fact that many women fight for their right to wear them. I realize it's politically-correct to respect their religious beliefs but I'm too much of a feminist to respect the inequality for which it stands. |
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| Amy_DoLL |
| quote: | Originally posted by FunkyCrew
agreed!
I also feel that while the rest of the world has come a long way since stone ages, countries like that have not developed much, socially. The other week there was an article in NP about an underground school for women in one of the Muslim countries - not only the founder himself received dozens and dozens of death threats, the girls themselves have to lie and hide while they attend classes so they can learn how to write and do simple math. It's mind boggling that simple liberties like this, are virtually non-existant for women, just because they are women. I won't even touch on the cover-ups they have to wear to walk on the streets, that's a whole other topic for discussion. |
I hear ya! I read this book about women in Saudi Arabia, and how life is for them there, and it was a real eye opener. ("Girls of Riyadh" by Rajaa Alsana.)
And like you said...simple liberties...even certain books and movies are banned there. I don't feel this is a type of thing to say "we should feel lucky we live in a society that..." No, I think it's disheartening that countries still choose to censor so much, what happened to free will? But freedom is relative. |
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| FunkyCrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jennifer_P_
...the topic makes me sad for them ~ as does the fact that many women fight for their right to wear them. I realize it's politically-correct to respect their religious beliefs but I'm too much of a feminist to respect the inequality for which it stands. |
very sad indeed!
I see nothing wrong with women choosing to wear head scarfs in public, or loose fitting modest clothes - all the power to them! But women covering their faces and bodies completely? The saddest part is that NONE of the religious literature ever states that women have to do that.. |
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| Jennifer_P_ |
| quote: | Originally posted by FunkyCrew
The saddest part is that NONE of the religious literature ever states that women have to do that.. |
none of the religious literature ever states a lot of mind-boggling things that fundamentalists justify by twisting said literature to suit themselves...
It is fear - fear of something different - fear of one's own urges - fear of losing control of self or a population at large. Fear is at the heart of so much that is frankly whacked with religions... and religion is at the heart of so much that is whacked with our world... |
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| FunkyCrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jennifer_P_
none of the religious literature ever states a lot of bing-boggling things that fundamentalists justify by twisting said literature to suit themselves... |
of course!
at the end of the day, those books were man-written and everyone likes to interpret things to suit their own interests
especially religious fanatics |
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| Jennifer_P_ |
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BEIRUT (AP) — A senior Iranian cleric says women who wear immodest clothing and behave promiscuously are to blame for earthquakes. Iran is one of the world’s most earthquake-prone countries, and the cleric’s unusual explanation for why the earth shakes follows a prediction by President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad that a quake is certain to hit Tehran and that many of its 12 million inhabitants should relocate. “Many women who do not dress modestly ... lead young men astray, corrupt their chastity and spread adultery in society, which (consequently) increases earthquakes,” Hojatoleslam Kazem Sedighi was quoted as saying by Iranian media. Sedighi is Tehran’s acting Friday prayer leader. Women in the Islamic Republic are required by law to cover from head to toe, but many, especially the young, ignore some of the more strict codes and wear tight coats and scarves pulled back that show much of the hair. “What can we do to avoid being buried under the rubble?” Sedighi asked during a prayer sermon Friday. “There is no other solution but to take refuge in religion and to adapt our lives to Islam’s moral codes.” Seismologists have warned for at least two decades that it is likely the sprawling capital will be struck by a catastrophic quake in the near future. Some experts have even suggested Iran should move its capital to a less seismically active location. Tehran straddles scores of fault lines, including one more than 50 miles (80 kilometers) long, though it has not suffered a major quake since 1830. In 2003, a powerful earthquake hit the southern city of Bam, killing 31,000 people — about a quarter of that city’s population — and destroying its ancient mud-built citadel. “A divine authority told me to tell the people to make a general repentance. Why? Because calamities threaten us,” Sedighi said. Referring to the violence that followed last June’s disputed presidential election, he said, “The political earthquake that occurred was a reaction to some of the actions (that took place). And now, if a natural earthquake hits Tehran, no one will be able to confront such a calamity but God’s power, only God’s power. ... So let’s not disappoint God.” The Iranian government and its security forces have been locked in a bloody battle with a large opposition movement that accuses Ahmadinejad of winning last year’s vote by fraud. Ahmadinejad made his quake prediction two weeks ago but said he could not give an exact date. He acknowledged that he could not order all of Tehran’s 12 million people to evacuate. “But provisions have to be made. ... At least 5 million should leave Tehran so it is less crowded,” the president said. Minister of Welfare and Social Security Sadeq Mahsooli said prayers and pleas for forgiveness were the best “formulas to repel earthquakes.” “We cannot invent a system that prevents earthquakes, but God has created this system and that is to avoid sins, to pray, to seek forgiveness, pay alms and self-sacrifice,” Mahsooli said. |
I just read the article again and realized that not-only is this an issue concerning women's rights, but if you look deeper, it is showcasing the fear tactics being used to keep the current ULTRA-CONSERVATIVE Iranian government in power.
Using fear to keep the population in-check. Blah to organized religion and people too simple to question the bull they are spoonfed. :mad: :mad: :mad:
Then-again... it's cyclical I guess.
(As a side-note, thank Gawd we have had leaders like Pierre Trudeau!) |
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| RobSt*r |
| Jen, I feel dumb when i read your posts. You SHOULD be a writer :) |
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| Jennifer_P_ |
| quote: | Originally posted by RobSt*r
Jen, I feel dumb when i read your posts. You SHOULD be a writer :) |
hahaha ~ I love you for that ego-boost but I betcha you wouldn't say that to me on the patio at 480 Spadina... :p |
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| RobSt*r |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jennifer_P_
hahaha ~ I love you for that ego-boost but I betcha you wouldn't say that to me on the patio at 480 Spadina... :p |
Touche |
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| TranceGrooves |
All of you are acting like you live in a country where nothing bad has ever happened. Compare the stats of violence on women in US and Canada with that of Saudi Arabia or Iran or any Muslim country for that matter. But nah ... its Muslims and Islam so let’s just start talking because hey everyone knows that Muslims are fundamentalists.
Someone wrote that women cannot drive in Saudi Arabia ... very true. Why is it a big deal for anyone ? Women are not allowed to hold jobs either. Again why a big deal ? what benefit will a women's rights organization will get by lifting the ban on women drivers in Saudi Arabia ? i mean wouldn't their efforts be more fruitful if they actually did something about controlling the number of rapes that occur each year in US South Africa and Canada.
Rank Countries Amount
# 1 United States: 95,136
# 2 South Africa: 52,425
# 3 Canada: 24,350
# 4 Australia: 15,630
# 5 India: 15,468
# 6 Mexico: 14,373
# 7 United Kingdom: 13,395
# 8 Germany: 8,615
# 9 France: 8,458
# 10 Russia: 6,978
# 11 Korea, South: 6,139
# 12 Peru: 5,968
# 13 Spain: 5,664
# 14 Zimbabwe: 5,567
# 15 Thailand: 4,020
# 16 Argentina: 3,036
# 17 Venezuela: 2,931
# 18 Italy: 2,543
# 19 Belgium: 2,436
# 20 Japan: 2,357
In no way shape or form am i defending the Arabs or the Muslims who go against the teachings of Islam and i admit there is a good number of Muslims who treat women like crap but keep the discussion fair because same amount of crap goes on in other countries as well.
Here are some quotes from the bible.
"But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God." (I Corinthians 11:3)
"For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man." (I Corinthians 11:8-9)
All the earthquakes, floods, hurricanes, destruction of ozone, global warming, men acting like women and women like men, abduence of alcohol, adultery etc etc etc are actually signs of the judgment day. Some believe it, some don’t and that’s fine. It’s perfectly ok to disagree with others but in that disagreement, kindly do not disrespect others beliefs. |
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| T_ALI |
| quote: | Originally posted by jchung52 BEIRUT (AP) — A senior Iranian cleric says women who wear immodest clothing and behave promiscuously are to blame for earthquakes. Iran is one of the world’s most earthquake-prone countries, and the cleric’s unusual explanation for why the earth shakes follows a prediction by President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad that a quake is certain to hit Tehran and that many of its 12 million inhabitants should relocate. “Many women who do not dress modestly ... lead young men astray, corrupt their chastity and spread adultery in society, which (consequently) increases earthquakes,” Hojatoleslam Kazem Sedighi was quoted as saying by Iranian media. Sedighi is Tehran’s acting Friday prayer leader. Women in the Islamic Republic are required by law to cover from head to toe, but many, especially the young, ignore some of the more strict codes and wear tight coats and scarves pulled back that show much of the hair. “What can we do to avoid being buried under the rubble?” Sedighi asked during a prayer sermon Friday. “There is no other solution but to take refuge in religion and to adapt our lives to Islam’s moral codes.” Seismologists have warned for at least two decades that it is likely the sprawling capital will be struck by a catastrophic quake in the near future. Some experts have even suggested Iran should move its capital to a less seismically active location. Tehran straddles scores of fault lines, including one more than 50 miles (80 kilometers) long, though it has not suffered a major quake since 1830. In 2003, a powerful earthquake hit the southern city of Bam, killing 31,000 people — about a quarter of that city’s population — and destroying its ancient mud-built citadel. “A divine authority told me to tell the people to make a general repentance. Why? Because calamities threaten us,” Sedighi said. Referring to the violence that followed last June’s disputed presidential election, he said, “The political earthquake that occurred was a reaction to some of the actions (that took place). And now, if a natural earthquake hits Tehran, no one will be able to confront such a calamity but God’s power, only God’s power. ... So let’s not disappoint God.” The Iranian government and its security forces have been locked in a bloody battle with a large opposition movement that accuses Ahmadinejad of winning last year’s vote by fraud. Ahmadinejad made his quake prediction two weeks ago but said he could not give an exact date. He acknowledged that he could not order all of Tehran’s 12 million people to evacuate. “But provisions have to be made. ... At least 5 million should leave Tehran so it is less crowded,” the president said. Minister of Welfare and Social Security Sadeq Mahsooli said prayers and pleas for forgiveness were the best “formulas to repel earthquakes.” “We cannot invent a system that prevents earthquakes, but God has created this system and that is to avoid sins, to pray, to seek forgiveness, pay alms and self-sacrifice,” Mahsooli said.
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lol that's really ed up |
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| jchung52 |
| quote: | Originally posted by TranceGrooves
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great post. hope your'e doing well! |
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