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| Magnetonium |
Oh, dont you guys get me started on Saudi Arabia - one of the world's worst places to live for women - things ARE FAR FROM GRAND there, far from it. Here are just some of the things that are taboo:
-sex, and even talking about sex is a huge taboo - some unlucky Saudis recently went to jail and/or got lashed for bragging about their sex lives.
-birthdays are taboo, although not banned. Birthday parties are discouraged.
-women have to dress very strictly or face the consequences from the religous police. No bikini wearing for you in public or on the beach. Stay in home, bitch - thats what the Saudis would tell you (not me).
-women are not allowed to go in most places in presence of any men who are not their husband or relatives. Women very discouraged to go around on their own. If religious police sees this, oh boy, take off you panties and get ready for some serious lashing. Not in a sexy type of way. Sex segregation is quite serious business in many places, in particularly public places such as a mosque.
-women have very few if any rights, especially rights to inheritance and right to live free and happy.
-women must do what their husbands tell them to do. Pretty much, thats how blatant their religious laws are. Women = men's property.
So much for that happiness of being a trophy wife. |
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| FunkyCrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by The Potter
The Muslim women who are happy with their lives, looking after their kids, etc., would find it patronising and condescending that you feel as though they should be liberated from their 'sad' existence. If you do not care about offending some of the Muslim women who are perfectly content with their lives, then it does not appear that you are helping achieve your admirable goal of creating a more benevolent society. |
If women are absolutely content with being reduced to live-in slave, who breeds children for her husband and has no rights or priviliges 90% of women around the world have, then worrying about about offending them should be the last thing on my mind. Just because women have been oppressed and brainwashed for centuries and see no other way of living - this does not mean that the cultures are so polarly different. It means exactly what I said earlier - those cultures have not progressed socially.
Sometimes you have to draw the line between prancing around and being all politially correct and polite, and just saying things exactly how they are... |
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| Jennifer_P_ |
| quote: | Originally posted by FunkyCrew
If women are absolutely content with being reduced to live-in slave, who breeds children for her husband and has no rights or priviliges 90% of women around the world have, then worrying about about offending them should be the last thing on my mind. Just because women have been oppressed and brainwashed for centuries and see no other way of living - this does not mean that the cultures are so polarly different. It means exactly what I said earlier - those cultures have not progressed socially.
Sometimes you have to draw the line between prancing around and being all politially correct and polite, and just saying things exactly how they are... |
I do however think that we have to remember that despite the fact that we do have equal rights here, it hasn't always been that way.
We didn't even have the right to vote 100 years-ago...
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Widows and unmarried women were granted the right to vote in municipal elections in Ontario in 1884. Such limited franchises were extended in other provinces at the end of the 19th century, but bills to enfranchise women in provincial elections failed to pass in any province until Manitoba finally succeeded in 1916. At the federal level it was a two step process. On Sept. 20, 1917, women gained a limited right to vote: According to the Parliament of Canada website, the Military Voters Act established that "women who are British subjects and have close relatives in the armed forces can vote on behalf of their male relatives, in federal elections." About a year and a quarter later, at the beginning of 1919, the right to vote was extended to all women in the Act to confer the Electoral Franchise upon Women. The remaining provinces quickly followed suit, except for Quebec, which did not do so until 1940. Agnes Macphail became the first woman elected to Parliament in 1921. |
I don't believe in shutting my mouth for the sake of being politically correct when I see something as being unjust but just as we see some of the "norms" in other parts of the world as being ignorant, the same could be said of us when we simplify, use hyperbole or insults concerning complicated issues because we disagree.
We then are just as ignorant. |
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| FunkyCrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jennifer_P_
I do however think that we have to remember that despite the fact that we do have equal rights here, it hasn't always been that way.
We didn't even have the right to vote 100 years-ago... |
exactly :) we came a long way and look where we are at now - much better world to live in as a woman - we work, we travel, we date, we love women AND men - independent women all the way!
| quote: | | I don't believe in shutting my mouth for the sake of being politically correct when I see something as being unjust but just as we see some of the "norms" in other parts of the world as being ignorant, the same could be said of us when we exaggerate and simplify complicated issues because we disagree. |
that's true - but there is no way I will ever get my head around some of the norms from SA. No matter how hard I try! |
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| Abercrombie |
| Women in niqabs are sexy |
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| Magnetonium |
| quote: | Originally posted by Abercrombie
Women in niqabs are sexy |
:haha: :haha:
This should definitely be a turn-off to you. :)
http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2010/02/10/99951.html
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Arab diplomat annuls wedding with hairy bride
DUBAI (Al Arabiya)
An Arab ambassador annulled his wedding after discovering that his bride, who wore the niqab, had a beard and squinted, UAE media reported on Wednesday.
The marriage had been arranged through pictures given by the bride’s family that were later proven to be those of the sister of the bride-to-be.
During the brief meetings with his fiancé the ambassador was unable to see her face as she was fully veiled. Once the marriage contract had been signed, he tried to kiss his wife, a doctor, and discovered "she had a beard and squinted."
According to press reports, the ambassador then logged a court complaint claiming he had been “tricked” by his in-laws and a divorce was granted.
The nationalities of the parties involved were not revealed. |
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| Abercrombie |
...only if they wear it like this
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| The Potter |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jennifer_P_
Bridging the gap would take a revolution of sorts and it's a revolution that would have to be ignited from within as opposed to outside (ie. us) |
True, it is certainly preferable for any changes to be as organic and self-directed as possible, as it ensures that those affected have more ownership of the process. For example, those who feel strongly enough at the grassroots level about changing the status quo for Christian gays, through mobilising enough support, are trying to arrive at a new consensus, which is a process that result in the final outcome more fairly reflecting the desires of those involved. Some problems in Iraq can be higlighted as a prime example of how western models of liberty cannot suddenly be imposed from the outside; after all, how many hundreds of years did it take for the west to reach their equilibrium?
Any changes may take many years. In the west, many Christians took a long time to change their attitudes about slavery and the subjugation of women. In addition, it took 200 hundred years of persecution and barbarity for the majority of people to alter their moral beliefs about the Spanish Inquisition. |
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| RobSt*r |
| quote: | Originally posted by Abercrombie
...only if they wear it like this
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| Jennifer_P_ |
| quote: | Originally posted by TranceGrooves
Rank Countries Amount
# 1 United States: 95,136
# 2 South Africa: 52,425
# 3 Canada: 24,350
# 4 Australia: 15,630
# 5 India: 15,468
# 6 Mexico: 14,373
# 7 United Kingdom: 13,395
# 8 Germany: 8,615
# 9 France: 8,458
# 10 Russia: 6,978
# 11 Korea, South: 6,139
# 12 Peru: 5,968
# 13 Spain: 5,664
# 14 Zimbabwe: 5,567
# 15 Thailand: 4,020
# 16 Argentina: 3,036
# 17 Venezuela: 2,931
# 18 Italy: 2,543
# 19 Belgium: 2,436
# 20 Japan: 2,357
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I'm not disagreeing with you on the fact that despite having equal rights, women are not necessarily "equal" in the west however, I don't like your stats. Rape stats are very hard to track accurately and your list doesn't take many factors into account, (such as female population, education, etc.) that would affect both the prevalence and reporting of rape in each country. In fact, there isn't even a recognized world-wide definition of what constitutes rape.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics
| quote: | Statistics on rape and sexual assault are common in Western countries and are becoming more common throughout the world. They are, however, highly politicized, often sex biased, and have been accused of being unreliable because they are so diverse and are used by different groups for different reasons. This is partly because of inconsistent definitions of rape in both legislative and academic studies. However, it is also because of over reporting, under reporting and false reporting of the crime. In the United States rape is defined differently by separate states. In many legislatures in the world some non-consensual sexual acts are not defined as rape at all. They may be considered legal, or as an illegal form of sexual assault. In some jurisdictions, male-female rape is the only form of rape considered rape while in others male-male, female-male or female-female rape may also be included as a legal form of rape.[1] Rape of children is rarely reported in official reports. Nor is the rape of children by their mothers and fathers or other relations represented in official publications. Rape, alone among other major crimes, suffers from severe definitional contradictions that create controversial statistical disparities.
These factors lead to accusations that a significant number of rape statistics are unreliable. For example, it is estimated that a quarter of convicted rapists may be innocent.[2] According to USA Today reporter Kevin Johnson "no other major category of crime - not murder, assault or robbery - has generated a more serious challenge of the credibility of national crime statistics" than has rape.[3]
A United Nations statistical report compiled from government sources showed that more than 250,000 cases of male-female rape or attempted rape were recorded by police annually. The reported data covered 65 countries.[4]
Male on male, female on male, and female on female rape statistics are rarely shown in official reports. |
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| Magnetonium |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jennifer_P_
I'm not disagreeing with you on the fact that despite having equal rights, women are not necessarily "equal" in the west however, I don't like your stats. Rape stats are very hard to track accurately and your list doesn't take many factors into account, (such as female population, education, etc.) that would affect both the prevalence and reporting of rape in each country. In fact, there isn't even a recognized world-wide definition of what constitutes rape.
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Warning - Muslims sensitive of criticism, do not read this post. This may be hurtful to you, avoid.
I didnt see that post of TranceGroove's. But now I did, so I'd like to comment too.
Rape statistics are irrelevant in this case. Just using common sense and logic alone is enough to understand the truth - put all previous information we stated on this thread together, and you'll know exactly where there are more rapes and murders of women, in the West or in the Islamic countries, where it is dangerous and/or BANNED for a woman to travel alone. Muslim countries technically dont have a rape statistic for several reasons, hence the missing countries in the list (not ONE Islamic country???). One - many women dont report rapes by their husbands or family members, or strangers, because its taboo and brings shame to the family honour. Women are often killed, BY THEIR OWN FAMILY MEMBERS, to protect family "honour" when woman is blamed for something or is involved in some kind of contact with a stranger. A Muslim woman may also be murdered for refusing to marry a man of her father's wishes. In other places, women are stoned and tortured for affairs or refusing to obey their husbands or fathers (some famous recent cases in Pakistan and Somalia).
Also, as it has been often reported in the media, particularly in Afghanistan and Egypt, in many cases police do not help the abused women, but they also sexually abuse them in detention, too. Islamic law can often be justified to allow rapes, hence the existence of niqabs. Also, many raped women do not even go to police stations or help in the first place - they either commit suicide or they either go on with their lives, because they know that there is noone to help them, or men use violence and intimidation to shut them up, with nowhere to go to, and everyone against them. Other women merely justify their poor existence by attending demonstrations to support Islamic law.
So technically, these societies have done a lot of hard work to "eliminate" rapes. If you are going to report one, might as well be ready to be raped, too.
Recently Afghanistan passed a law that allows Shia men to rape their wives if they refuse sex. What are Canadian troops dying there for again?
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