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| T_ALI |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jennifer_P_
...and this:
Saudi Arabia Rape victim gets 200 lashes
Arab News reported a court in Saudi Arabia punished a female victim of gang rape with 200 lashes and six months in jail. She was initially ordered to undergo 90 lashes for being in the car of an unrelated male at the time of rape.
A year-and-a-half ago in the Eastern Province town of Qatif, Saudi Arabia, a seven men gang raped a 19 year old girl 14 times. The three judges who presided this case instead of punishing just the attackers, punished the girl as well and sentenced her to 90 lashes for being in a car of an unrelated male at the time of the rape.
Women in Saudi Arabia are not permitted to drive cars, so they rely on relatives to take them if they had to visit place. If they are found in a stranger’s car they get punished with lashes and prison term in some cases. In this case the three wise men punished the rape victim.
The Qatif General Court sentenced the rape victim to 90 lashes for being in the car of an unrelated male and sentenced the seven rapists ranging from 10 months to five years in prison. This caused quiet an outrage in the Arab world and the victim’s lawyer, Abdul Rahman Al-Lahem, appealed to the courts and said the punishment is lenient for the rapists, while it is unjust for the victim.
So, what was the response from the General Court, they doubled the number of lashes for a rape victim as well as jail terms for her assaulters. They topped it off by suspending the victim’s lawyer from defending her in the future. The Saudi Appeals Court sentenced the victim to 200 lashes and six months in prison. The seven victims had their prison terms increased to between two and nine years.
This has caused quiet a stir in Saudi Arabia as well as in other Arab countries. The reason the Saudi Appeals Court increased the punishment for the rape victim was “her attempt to aggravate and influence the judiciary through the media.”
Judge Soliman Al-Muhanna from the Qatif court told the lawyer (Al-Lahem) that the judicial committee had decided to suspend him from the case. They also confiscated his license which is granted to Saudi lawyers by the Ministry of Justice.
Al-Lahem tried his best to persuade the judge that he was just doing his job trying to defend his client, but they did not listen and suspended him. He was sent a new letter to attend the disciplinary session on 25th of the Hijra month. The reason was he was trying to advertise his services and that is against the Saudi law.
The case has angered members of Saudi Arabia's Shi'ite community. The convicted men are Sunni Muslims, the dominant community in the oil-rich Gulf state.
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/246259 |
Every religion/region has its share of terrible things that have happened...
Things like this is exactly what's wrong with that region and needs to improve.
I grew up in a very liberal muslim family and my mother and sister never had to wear the hijab and could do whatever they wanted. They are always shocked at the kinds of things that go on there and others allowing them to happen. |
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| Jennifer_P_ |
Rape Data per capita
Rank Countries Amount
# 1 South Africa: 1.19538 per 1,000 people
# 2 Seychelles: 0.788294 per 1,000 people
# 3 Australia: 0.777999 per 1,000 people
# 4 Montserrat: 0.749384 per 1,000 people
# 5 Canada: 0.733089 per 1,000 people
# 6 Jamaica: 0.476608 per 1,000 people
# 7 Zimbabwe: 0.457775 per 1,000 people
# 8 Dominica: 0.34768 per 1,000 people
# 9 United States: 0.301318 per 1,000 people
# 10 Iceland: 0.246009 per 1,000 people
# 11 Papua New Guinea0.233544 per 1,000 people
# 12 New Zealand: 0.213383 per 1,000 people
# 13 United Kingdom: 0.142172 per 1,000 people
# 14 Spain: 0.140403 per 1,000 people
# 15 France: 0.139442 per 1,000 people
# 16 Korea, South: 0.12621 per 1,000 people
# 17 Mexico: 0.122981 per 1,000 people
# 18 Norway: 0.120836 per 1,000 people
# 19 Costa Rica: 0.118277 per 1,000 people
# 20 Venezuela: 0.115507 per 1,000 people
# 21 Finland: 0.110856 per 1,000 people
# 22 Netherlands: 0.100445 per 1,000 people
# 23 Denmark: 0.0914948 per 1,000 people
# 24 Germany: 0.0909731 per 1,000 people
# 25 Bulgaria: 0.0795973 per 1,000 people
# 26 Chile: 0.0782179 per 1,000 people
# 27 Thailand: 0.0626305 per 1,000 people
# 28 Kyrgyzstan: 0.0623785 per 1,000 people
# 29 Poland: 0.062218 per 1,000 people
# 30 Sri Lanka: 0.0599053 per 1,000 people
# 31 Hungary: 0.0588588 per 1,000 people
# 32 Estonia: 0.0547637 per 1,000 people
# 33 Ireland: 0.0542829 per 1,000 people
# 34 Switzerland: 0.0539458 per 1,000 people
# 35 Belarus: 0.0514563 per 1,000 people
# 36 Uruguay: 0.0512295 per 1,000 people
# 37 Lithuania: 0.0508757 per 1,000 people
# 38 Malaysia: 0.0505156 per 1,000 people
# 39 Romania: 0.0497089 per 1,000 people
# 40 Czech Republic: 0.0488234 per 1,000 people
# 41 Russia: 0.0486543 per 1,000 people
# 42 Latvia: 0.0454148 per 1,000 people
# 43 Moldova: 0.0448934 per 1,000 people
# 44 Colombia: 0.0433254 per 1,000 people
# 45 Slovenia: 0.0427648 per 1,000 people
# 46 Italy: 0.0402045 per 1,000 people
# 47 Portugal: 0.0364376 per 1,000 people
# 48 Tunisia: 0.0331514 per 1,000 people
# 49 Zambia: 0.0266383 per 1,000 people
# 50 Ukraine: 0.0244909 per 1,000 people
# 51 Slovakia: 0.0237525 per 1,000 people
# 52 Mauritius: 0.0219334 per 1,000 people
# 53 Turkey: 0.0180876 per 1,000 people
# 54 Japan: 0.017737 per 1,000 people
# 55 Hong Kong: 0.0150746 per 1,000 people
# 56 India: 0.0143187 per 1,000 people
# 57 Qatar: 0.0139042 per 1,000 people
# 58 Macedonia, : 0.0132029 per 1,000 people
# 59 Greece: 0.0106862 per 1,000 people
# 60 Georgia: 0.0100492 per 1,000 people
# 61 Armenia: 0.00938652 per 1,000 people
# 62 Indonesia: 0.00567003 per 1,000 people
# 63 Yemen: 0.0038597 per 1,000 people
# 64 Azerbaijan: 0.00379171 per 1,000 people
# 65 Saudi Arabia: 0.00329321 per 1,000 people
Weighted average: 0.1 per 1,000 people
DEFINITION: Total recorded rapes. Crime statistics are often better indicators of prevalence of law enforcement and willingness to report crime, than actual prevalence. Per capita figures expressed per 1,000 population.
SOURCE: Seventh United Nations Survey of Crime Trends and Operations of Criminal Justice Systems, covering the period 1998 - 2000 (United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, Centre for International Crime Prevention |
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| Jennifer_P_ |
| quote: | Originally posted by T_ALI
Every religion/region has its share of terrible things that have happened...
Things like this is exactly what's wrong with that region and needs to improve.
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| Amy_DoLL |
Regardless of where this [physical violation] is happening (and we know it happens every place), it makes me sick to think that women, (and even men) are going through these traumatic events all over the world.
Religion and politics aside, this is human ethics. Or a lack there of.
Offenders should be blasted into outer space.
Case closed. |
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| FunkyCrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by The Potter
On the contrary, of course you can reverse the premise of the particular argument that you originally made, which was that you can generalise that ALL people in these societies must be unhappy, based on your subjective perception that being able to live under the same western political system will ensure that ALL these Muslim women are happy. This is just as illlogical as those eastern/Muslim women reflecting their own subjective perceptions, by saying that because the western women do live under the same political system as themselves, ALL western women must be unhappy.
Being as free as a women in the west may not guarantee happiness for some Muslim women in the east. Is it that inconceivable that a women whose freedoms were more resticted, but lived her life with all the trappings of being married to a wealthy prince/Sheikh (servants, etc., whilst being able to concentrate entirely on bringing up the many children that she always dreamt of having), would believe that she is happy. This happiness may be further re-inforced when she compares her life with some poor women who enjoy the freedoms of the west, but who are addicted to drugs, do not have jobs, are stuggling to bring up their kids on their own, and are about to have their home foreclosed.
If living under western freedoms guaranteed happiness, then how do you explain the incidence of depression? Similarly, depressed women exist in the eastern countries. Therefore, logic would dicate that there are probably other factors at play in guaranteeing happiness for women, unrelated to the level of individual freedoms.
I guess the central tenet of my point is that for most western and eastern women, individual freedoms are a necessary condition to ensure their personal happiness, but even for them, it is never a sufficient one. |
but I think you fail to see my point that Easter women are BORN into such mentality - that the life they live is the happy one. Western women have the freedom of choice of what "route" to take in life. So at the end of the day, we make out own choice and face the consequences. I never tried to argue that Westerners are happy - all I was saying is that we are free. Westerners have the ability to live a happy life - our life is what we make out of it!
Either way I'm not sure why went into a discussion of happy vs. depressed. My opinion still stands - Eastern culture is not simply different to Western... |
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| Abercrombie |
| quote: | Originally posted by FunkyCrew
Easter women |
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| Abercrombie |
| quote: | Originally posted by FunkyCrew
I'm tired :( |
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| T_ALI |
| quote: | Originally posted by Amy_DoLL
Regardless of where this [physical violation] is happening (and we know it happens every place), it makes me sick to think that women, (and even men) are going through these traumatic events all over the world.
Religion and politics aside, this is human ethics. Or a lack there of.
Offenders should be blasted into outer space.
Case closed. |
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| Jennifer_P_ |
| quote: | Originally posted by FunkyCrew
but I think you fail to see my point that Easter women are BORN into such mentality - that the life they live is the happy one. Western women have the freedom of choice of what "route" to take in life. So at the end of the day, we make out own choice and face the consequences. I never tried to argue that Westerners are happy - all I was saying is that we are free. Westerners have the ability to live a happy life - our life is what we make out of it!
Either way I'm not sure why went into a discussion of happy vs. depressed. My opinion still stands - Eastern culture is not simply different to Western... |
He is taking issue with your assumption that ALL women living under conditions which WE find unfair towards women are unhappy with the status quo.
Some might infact be happy and yes ~ many are likely only happy because they do not know what it feels like to live with the freedom that we are lucky-enough to have.
I keep bouncing back and forth on where I stand ~ and that is likely due to the simple fact that the issue is more complex than meets the eye. When we make assumptions and exaggerate to prove our point, we could very-well lose focus of the true facts.
At the end of the day, (as has been previously stated a few times), we cannot force our way of living upon them; change has to come from within and change will take a long-ass time to achieve. |
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| TranceGrooves |
it all comes down to Religion and what people make of it as per their understanding.
not all western women are treated badly. there are tons of good examples about western women and similarly not all muslim women are mistreated and there are tons of good examples. my own wifey, does not wear niqab, has a job and drives and at same time practises faith by saying her prayers and stuff.
and the chat about Religion is a never ending discussion. top 5 religions of the world have very similar teachings i.e. belive in god, treat others good, pray etc etc and yet beleivers of those top 5 religions fail to note the similarities and keep fighting about the minor differences. |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jennifer_P_
We didn't even have the right to vote 100 years-ago...
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the first mistake man made right there |
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