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| FunkyCrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by TranceGrooves
Someone wrote that women cannot drive in Saudi Arabia ... very true. Why is it a big deal for anyone ? Women are not allowed to hold jobs either. Again why a big deal ? what benefit will a women's rights organization will get by lifting the ban on women drivers in Saudi Arabia ? |
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I'm sorry - what? What do you mean why is this a big deal? Imagine you're a woman lol and answer that same question
oh and quit it with stats - how many rapes and honorary killings go UNREPORTED in Saudi Arabia because it's all hush-hush and you're not supposed to tell? Unless you can provide some sort of stats fo SA, don't go on comparing Western countries :)
| quote: | Originally posted by jchung52
great post. |
did you skip like 3/4 of it? |
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| T_ALI |
| quote: | Originally posted by FunkyCrew
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I'm sorry - what? What do you mean why is this a big deal? Imagine you're a woman lol and answer that same question
oh and quit it with stats - how many rapes and honorary killings go UNREPORTED in Saudi Arabia because it's all hush-hush and you're not supposed to tell? Unless you can provide some sort of stats fo SA, don't go on comparing Western countries :) |
Both east/west had the same problems depending on which denomination you were part of. The only difference is that the west has evolved in some respect and countries like Saudi Arabia/Iran haven't.
I'm athiest so I don't really give a but IMO fundamentalist religion (Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, etc.....)in general is ed up, and divides people rather bringing them together. Look at what's going on in the middle east. Taking religion out of the equation would improve so many problems in the world... |
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| TranceGrooves |
| quote: | Originally posted by FunkyCrew
:conf:
I'm sorry - what? What do you mean why is this a big deal? Imagine you're a woman lol and answer that same question
oh and quit it with stats - how many rapes and honorary killings go UNREPORTED in Saudi Arabia because it's all hush-hush and you're not supposed to tell? Unless you can provide some sort of stats fo SA, don't go on comparing Western countries :)
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ok for you, i will imagine i am saudi arab woman.
lets review:
i am rich.
i dont ever have to work
my kid's kid's kid's dont ever have to work
if i am not rich just yet, i will be soon
i have men drive me around all day every day (mostly paki men who come over from their country and provide cheap labour)
i aint got to work because the man of the house is doing it all for me
Fawk woman !!! life is grand !!!!
And lets be honest here, why would a Saudi man need to rape, that ****** is allowed multiple wives already LOLz. (but again that does not stop some men and i have already written that)
you want stats for Saudi Arab, lolz it is on number 71 on the same listed i gave above. Professor Google can help. I did the same :crazy: |
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| FunkyCrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by T_ALI
Both east/west had the same problems depending on which denomination you were part of. The only difference is that the west has evolved in some respect and countries like Saudi Arabia/Iran haven't. |
lol how is this the same when women are denied basic HUMAN rights? :) I'm no feminist but even to me that doesn't sound right!
| quote: | Originally posted by TranceGrooves
ok for you, i will imagine i am saudi arab woman.
lets review:
i am rich.
i dont ever have to work
my kid's kid's kid's dont ever have to work
if i am not rich just yet, i will be soon
i have men drive me around all day every day (mostly paki men who come over from their country and provide cheap labour)
i aint got to work because the man of the house is doing it all for me
Fawk woman !!! life is grand !!!! |
grand? sounds incredible depressing and boring - it's worse then being a trophy wife!
| quote: | | And lets be honest here, why would a Saudi man need to rape, that ****** is allowed multiple wives already LOLz. (but again that does not stop some men and i have already written that) |
like that would stop anyone :)
| quote: | | you want stats for Saudi Arab, lolz it is on number 71 on the same listed i gave above. Professor Google can help. I did the same :crazy: |
| quote: | | how many rapes and honorary killings go UNREPORTED in Saudi Arabia because it's all hush-hush and you're not supposed to tell? |
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| jchung52 |
| quote: | Originally posted by TranceGrooves
All of you are acting like you live in a country where nothing bad has ever happened. Compare the stats of violence on women in US and Canada with that of Saudi Arabia or Iran or any Muslim country for that matter. But nah ... its Muslims and Islam so let’s just start talking because hey everyone knows that Muslims are fundamentalists.
In no way shape or form am i defending the Arabs or the Muslims who go against the teachings of Islam and i admit there is a good number of Muslims who treat women like crap but keep the discussion fair because same amount of crap goes on in other countries as well.
Some believe it, some don’t and that’s fine. It’s perfectly ok to disagree with others but in that disagreement, kindly do not disrespect others beliefs. |
ps not saying i agree with it. It's a matter of perspective and upbringing. It's not as simple as let women reveal themselves or whatever the issue might be. Lots of history and religion go with it. Your post :
| quote: | Originally posted by FunkyCrew
agreed!
I also feel that while the rest of the world has come a long way since stone ages, countries like that have not developed much, socially. The other week there was an article in NP about an underground school for women in one of the Muslim countries - not only the founder himself received dozens and dozens of death threats, the girls themselves have to lie and hide while they attend classes so they can learn how to write and do simple math. It's mind boggling that simple liberties like this, are virtually non-existant for women, just because they are women. I won't even touch on the cover-ups they have to wear to walk on the streets, that's a whole other topic for discussion. |
Can be seen as offensive.. Saying that region is still in the stone age, haven't developed much socially etc. Simple liberty to you, but not to them. Your basic human rights can be another's hell.
(once again, I don't agree with it but certain statements can be seen as aggressive/condescending) |
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| TranceGrooves |
| quote: | Originally posted by FunkyCrew
grand? sounds incredible depressing and boring - it's worse then being a trophy wife! |
says you. ask the saudi women, they are cursing you right now.
| quote: | Originally posted by FunkyCrew
how many rapes and honorary killings go UNREPORTED in Saudi Arabia because it's all hush-hush and you're not supposed to tell? |
how the hell you want me to give stats on something you are claiming that it's UNREPORTED ???:conf:
Also that ratio of not reported violence exists in western countries as well. |
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| T_ALI |
| quote: | Originally posted by FunkyCrew
lol how is this the same when women are denied basic HUMAN rights? :) I'm no feminist but even to me that doesn't sound right! |
I'm talking about things that happened long before the suffrage movement depending on which denomination you were a part of.
Since then, the west has evolved allowing rights for everyone regardless of sex, or religion. |
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| FunkyCrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by TranceGrooves
how the hell you want me to give stats on something you are claiming that it's UNREPORTED ???:conf:
Also that ratio of not reported violence exists in western countries as well. |
that was my point lol - it was irrelevent to start brandishing Western stats when you can't even compare them to proper stats from SA :)
| quote: | Originally posted by T_ALI
I'm talking about things that happened long before the suffrage movement depending on which denomination you were a part of.
Since then, the west has evolved allowing rights for everyone regardless of sex, or religion. |
I'm not sure if you're agreeing with me?
| quote: | Originally posted by jchung52
Can be seen as offensive.. Saying that region is still in the stone age, haven't developed much socially etc. Simple liberty to you, but not to them. Your basic human rights can be another's hell. |
if anyone finds it offensive, they can be my guest :) I tried to word it as mildly as possible, without losing the point I was trying to convey
I'm slightly tired of sugarcoating things.. |
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| VDub |
| quote: | Originally posted by Amy_DoLL
I've said it before...if more people popped pills, listened to trance music, felt it, and understood it, I think the world would be a much happier place.
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fixed... |
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| The Potter |
| quote: | Originally posted by FunkyCrew
if anyone finds it offensive, they can be my guest :) I tried to word it as mildly as possible, without losing the point I was trying to convey
I'm slightly tired of sugarcoating things.. |
It is not a question of sugercoating things just for the sake of it; it is a question of not using excessive hyperbole and black and white generalisations, which only help to perpetuate some of the un-thinking ignorance that arises from using sweeping and inaccurate statements like the 'Stone Age', as well as 'ALL Arabs/Muslims/the east versus ALL of the west'. To this end, sugercoating is a natural consequence and by-product (not a goal in and of itself) of understanding and empathy, as it shows an appreciation of the fundamentally complicated nature of the world and the unique INDIVIDUAL lives of the people that inhabit it.
The Muslim women who are happy with their lives, looking after their kids, etc., would find it patronising and condescending that you feel as though they should be liberated from their 'sad' existence. If you do not care about offending some of the Muslim women who are perfectly content with their lives, then it does not appear that you are helping achieve your admirable goal of creating a more benevolent society. |
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| Jennifer_P_ |
| quote: | Originally posted by The Potter
The Muslim women who are happy with their lives, looking after their kids, etc., would find it patronising and condescending that you feel as though they should be liberated from their 'sad' existence. If you do not care about offending some of the Muslim women who are perfectly content with their lives, then it does not appear that you are helping achieve your admirable goal of creating a more benevolent society. |
It takes a higher level of thinking to avoid patronizing and condescending hyperbole for a woman granted the rights we are granted in the west. It is difficult for us to get our heads around that which is considered "the norm" in other places. Similarly it would be difficult for a woman who is repressed by religious laws enforced by the State to understand how we live.
As I said though, the situation for women (and infact all those living in countries which are governed without a separation of Church and State), is cyclical. The know what they know. We know what we know.
If you are a woman living in a country in which you have no rights, it is easy to be content with the status quo - you have already learned that you are not equal to a man....
Bridging the gap would take a revolution of sorts and it's a revolution that would have to be ignited from within as opposed to outside (ie. us) |
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| Shaya007 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Abercrombie
With everything that comes spewing out of their governments's mouths, why am I not surprised? |
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