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| wotyzoid |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
These people are allowed to believe in magical boats but for some reason its not ok for me to call them a cunt? |
It's ok for you to call anyone a cunt. However, that doesn't really make it true, and you are way over your head if you think it does.
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Yeah, remember that when people are flying planes into your buildings, de-railing trains, killing doctors, altering education standards, and just generally bouncing their moralistic bollocks on your chin. |
As I said, I blame individuals and not their beliefs. I have no problem believing that people who are willing to fly a plane into a building will find a reason to do so. People don't have to be martyrs in order to be destructive. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| apologists are cunts too. |
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| wotyzoid |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
apologists are cunts too. |
I'm not writing in defense of anything. I have an opinion and I am simply stating it. Opinions, s, etc... |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
I can’t believe a philosopher would say something like this. What exactly was the enlightenment then if not a vehicle for stopping religion’s meddlings in the public sphere? |
Well, I should make myself clear, and state what (I think) wotyzoid means.
Did the Enlightenment put the Church on check? Yes, it did. Do I think the pernicious ideas in religion should be criticised? Absolutely.
But criticism cannot "debunk" a religion. German language has had plenty of great atheist thinkers, from Feuerbach to Freud, yet more than half of the population is made up of Christians source. The situation is France is only slightly more irreligious.
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
Why is there much weaker theistic belief in the western world than at any time in history? Criticism of the antiquated and illogical positions of the pointy end of organised religion’s main men have helped engender a marked shift in belief patterns worldwide. Religion, like any idea, is impossible to stop. But just because some cunt will continue to be a cunt regardless of what I do, is not reason enough to stop me calling them a cunt. |
Actually, let's take a look at Gallup's religiosity index. The brighter a country, the more its citizens regard religion as being important:
You can see that the countries surrounding Europe are the least religious in the world as a whole, with the sole exception of communist countries (such as China and North Korea) in which religion is forbidden, so they can worship their leaders instead of wasting their times with supernatural beings. The church is no longer a role model in these places.
What's changed? I'd say the two Great Wars in the last century had a much deeper impact on human religiosity than any word Nietzsche may have ever penned. That's why the US remains a religious country (it didn't feel the impact of a great war in its territory yet), and the percentage of immigrants in Canada is substantial enough to explain why it is just (slightly) less religious than the US.
Even in your own country: let's see how religion changed in Ozland:
Irreligiosity became much more popular in the 70's i.e. it's a recent thing. Could it be related to immigrants coming from other countries where religion was already becoming weak due to the human cataclysms and the inevitable culture shock?
Hhmm.... looks probable.
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
These people are allowed to believe in magical boats but for some reason its not ok for me to call them a cunt? that, and them. |
Yes. This is not helpful, at all. It's not like they're doing anything to you just because they believe God had nothing better to do than play with our planet like a bathtub. Should they, however, do something actively harmful to someone else and/or think it's right to do so, that's when it's okay to step in.
Otherwise the cuntness is on you :(
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
And given your anti-abortion stance, you too :p |
I've always wondered, how exactly can you yourself? My penis faces upwards and it's not a bloody pretzel :p |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
But criticism cannot "debunk" a religion. German language has had plenty of great atheist thinkers, from Feuerbach to Freud, yet more than half of the population is made up of Christians source. The situation is France is only slightly more irreligious.
Actually, let's take a look at Gallup's religiosity index. The brighter a country, the more its citizens regard religion as being important:
You can see that the countries surrounding Europe are the least religious in the world as a whole, with the sole exception of communist countries (such as China and North Korea) in which religion is forbidden, so they can worship their leaders instead of wasting their times with supernatural beings. The church is no longer a role model in these places.
What's changed? I'd say the two Great Wars in the last century had a much deeper impact on human religiosity than any word Nietzsche may have ever penned. That's why the US remains a religious country (it didn't feel the impact of a great war in its territory yet), and the percentage of immigrants in Canada is substantial enough to explain why it is just (slightly) less religious than the US. |
Oh, for sure. there’s bound to be a multitude of influences, and immediate experience by the serf will count for more than a nice fat philosophical textbook in most cases. But im not so sure about the war connection. Indeed there are many examples of people in the worst kind of conditions being pushed closer to god (literally!) by those experiences. Wasn’t there a thread here recently that covered this topic? Definitely read something recently about it. anyway, I would posit that the biggest group of un-believers never saw the war, or were even alive when it occurred.
I also think rampant consumerism and self interest has also played a large part in our godless fun. So yes, I accept that it hasn’t all been due to dawkins or Condell yelling from the rooftops. But such people do play their part, as do we all (which is what my original reference was to).
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
Even in your own country: let's see how religion changed in Ozland:
Irreligiosity became much more popular in the 70's i.e. it's a recent thing. Could it be related to immigrants coming from other countries where religion was already becoming weak due to the human cataclysms and the inevitable culture shock?
Hhmm.... looks probable. |
Yeah, im not sure about this. It may indeed have an effect on census data absolutely, but I think Australia has merely followed the (western) worldwide trend of less religiosity, due in part to us youngins being too concerned with things that are just more fun.
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
Yes. This is not helpful, at all. It's not like they're doing anything to you just because they believe God had nothing better to do than play with our planet like a bathtub. Should they, however, do something actively harmful to someone else and/or think it's right to do so, that's when it's okay to step in. |
Sorry, you must have confused me for someone who is trying to be helpful :p
Belief itself isn’t the problem, and ive stated many times here that my only main issue is when those beliefs seep into the public sphere and cause mischief (which they inevitably do, everywhere, all the time). moderate religion is merely the cesspool from which radicalism is born (cant remember whom I stole that from, but I like it).
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
Otherwise the cuntness is on you :( |
Well, I guess its just a cross I’ll have to bear! And who knows, maybe in 2000 years people will be wearing pics of me round their neck or atop their buildings :) |
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| Magadansky |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
communist countries in which religion is forbidden, so they can worship their leaders instead of wasting their times with supernatural beings. The church is no longer a role model in these places.
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Funny, I didn't know that Bulgaria, Serbia, Croatia and so on are still under communist rule, worship leaders and the religion is forbidden. Crap research. |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by Magadansky
Funny, I didn't know that Bulgaria, Serbia, Croatia and so on are still under communist rule, worship leaders and the religion is forbidden. Crap research. |
What!? Who the hell said that about these countries? Either you didn't read the whole sentence or you're going to have a hard time convincing me that these countries didn't take part in any of the Great World Wars :conf: |
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| Magadansky |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
What!? Who the hell said that about these countries? Either you didn't read the whole sentence or you're going to have a hard time convincing me that these countries didn't take part in any of the Great World Wars :conf: |
I reffered to the fact that they were painted in grey in the research just like China, Sudan etc. |
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| Sunsnail |
| Gray usually indicates no data was available. |
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| Danny Ocean |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
I wanna know how the loonies explain the existence of all the creatures that never made it onto the ark. Like kangaroos. |
it was the unicorn |
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| Darkarbiter |
| quote: | Originally posted by Magadansky
I reffered to the fact that they were painted in grey in the research just like China, Sudan etc. |
Look at the ing top of that picture.
GREY=N/A
Not GREY=Religion banned or something similar |
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| Spam |
| quote: | Originally posted by Darkarbiter
Look at the ing top of that picture.
GREY=N/A
Not GREY=Religion banned or something similar |
Uh... no.
Not GREY = Data available. |
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