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Finally! Noah's Ark discovered! (pg. 6)
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by Magadansky
I reffered to the fact that they were painted in grey in the research just like China, Sudan etc. |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sunsnail
Gray usually indicates no data was available. |
;)
It's right there in the header :p |
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| Magadansky |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
;)
It's right there in the header :p |
Yeah, its at the far right and my browser was stretched so I didnt look at it. Taking my words back. |
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| Darkarbiter |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spam
Uh... no.
Not GREY = Data available. |
I meant:
Not, Grey= blah blah |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
from memory (and correct me if im wrong mr hazard) the bible makes it quite clear that god floods the world. |
Ah, the misconceptions regarding this particular myth/story are astounding.
Yes, Moses states in Genesis that it is the entire world that was flooded; however, one must bear in mind that Aaron (Moses didn't actually write anything... his brother did) is writing this story down after many generations of the story being told orally. One must bear in mind that Genesis is entirely a retelling of Hebrew myths that well pre-date Moses, there is no claim therein that Moses is obtaining this information from God directly. For those with whom the story would have originated any regional event would have been interpreted as a whole earth event as the earth to them would have only consisted of the small part that they knew of at the time. Pretty near all of the anchient cultures from this area of the world have a flood myth and all claim the waters covered all of earth... which would suggest that there probably was large scale flooding at one point and that all the peoples of the region interpreted this as a global event.
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
If it was merely a localised phenomenon, why the need for animals by twos? |
actually, it's only by twos for the unclean animals; sevens for the clean ones and foul...
| quote: | Originally posted by Moses - Gen 7
2 - Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.
3 - Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth... |
additionally, it's only land animals...
| quote: | Originally poste by Moses - Gen 7
21 - And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:
22 - All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died. |
One can interpret it many ways; however, the inclusion of the Hebrew dietary beliefs would suggest that what we're really talking about here is livestock and game animals that contemporaries of Noah would have made regular use out off.
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
Id also like to know how a “regional” flood could exist 4000m above sea level ;) |
Me too; however, it's unclear whether the bible actually claims it reached that high. Every version of the story I've read cites 15 cubits (cubit = 45cm assuming the story uses the earliest standard for cubit) which places the depth at 6.75m. Now some versions claim that was the depth of the water and others claim that the waters were 15 cubits over the tops of the mountains. Given the tendency for stories told orally for generations to become exagerated it's probable that the waters (again assuming the myth is based on some truth) were likely less then 15 cubits deep.
I always find the story of Noah's ark to be a facinating one because people tend to view it mostly as it is portrayed in children's books as opposed to how it appears in either the Torah or the Bible. As one would expect the children's books versions are very plain... noah put 2 of every animal on a boat with his family, god made it rain, everything that wasn't on the boat died, Noah's family repopulated the world; however, the Torah and the Bible versions are much less certain about what actually happened (again, assuming some base in fact). Perhaps even more interesting is that early versions of both the Torah and the Bible appear to show two independent versions of the story being told at the same time; both slightly different (i.e. in one line Noah sends a raven to look for land, the next line he sends a dove; later versions claim he sent one first then the other the next day but the early versions don't make any such distinction) and later versions largely mash these stories together in order to arrive at what you find in bibles today. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| As far as the claim that this group found the ark.... they claimed the same thing in 2007. |
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| Trance Nutter |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
Me too; however, it's unclear whether the bible actually claims it reached that high. Every version of the story I've read cites 15 cubits (cubit = 45cm assuming the story uses the earliest standard for cubit) which places the depth at 6.75m. Now some versions claim that was the depth of the water and others claim that the waters were 15 cubits over the tops of the mountains. Given the tendency for stories told orally for generations to become exagerated it's probable that the waters (again assuming the myth is based on some truth) were likely less then 15 cubits deep.
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But if the flooding was only 15 cubits deep, how has this "ark" ended up 4000 metres up a mountain? I think thats what pkc was getting at. |
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| leph555 |
| was bigfoot also found riding shotgun? |
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| Trance Nutter |
| quote: | Originally posted by leph555
was bigfoot also found riding shotgun? |
mrs bigfoot too. Remember, two of every animal. |
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| Fledz |
| quote: | Originally posted by Magadansky
Funny, I didn't know that Bulgaria, Serbia, Croatia and so on are still under communist rule, worship leaders and the religion is forbidden. Crap research. |
It's ok, I'll give you Croatias research.
About 90% of people would say they are Catholic, but about 80% don't really give a flying either way so it's rather irelevant.
Religion is obsolete in a world scale. Personally, it still has it's uses. In a society, meh. We could do far better things. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by Trance Nutter
But if the flooding was only 15 cubits deep, how has this "ark" ended up 4000 metres up a mountain? I think thats what pkc was getting at. |
That question would only be relevant if there was even a remote chance that this thing is "the ark." What PKC actually asked was how is it that a localized flood can reach a depth of 4000m; which I would argue it cannot. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
Ah, the misconceptions regarding this particular myth/story are astounding.
Yes, Moses states in Genesis that it is the entire world that was flooded; however, one must bear in mind that Aaron (Moses didn't actually write anything... his brother did) is writing this story down after many generations of the story being told orally. One must bear in mind that Genesis is entirely a retelling of Hebrew myths that well pre-date Moses, there is no claim therein that Moses is obtaining this information from God directly. For those with whom the story would have originated any regional event would have been interpreted as a whole earth event as the earth to them would have only consisted of the small part that they knew of at the time. Pretty near all of the anchient cultures from this area of the world have a flood myth and all claim the waters covered all of earth... which would suggest that there probably was large scale flooding at one point and that all the peoples of the region interpreted this as a global event.
actually, it's only by twos for the unclean animals; sevens for the clean ones and foul...
additionally, it's only land animals...
One can interpret it many ways; however, the inclusion of the Hebrew dietary beliefs would suggest that what we're really talking about here is livestock and game animals that contemporaries of Noah would have made regular use out off.
Me too; however, it's unclear whether the bible actually claims it reached that high. Every version of the story I've read cites 15 cubits (cubit = 45cm assuming the story uses the earliest standard for cubit) which places the depth at 6.75m. Now some versions claim that was the depth of the water and others claim that the waters were 15 cubits over the tops of the mountains. Given the tendency for stories told orally for generations to become exagerated it's probable that the waters (again assuming the myth is based on some truth) were likely less then 15 cubits deep.
I always find the story of Noah's ark to be a facinating one because people tend to view it mostly as it is portrayed in children's books as opposed to how it appears in either the Torah or the Bible. As one would expect the children's books versions are very plain... noah put 2 of every animal on a boat with his family, god made it rain, everything that wasn't on the boat died, Noah's family repopulated the world; however, the Torah and the Bible versions are much less certain about what actually happened (again, assuming some base in fact). Perhaps even more interesting is that early versions of both the Torah and the Bible appear to show two independent versions of the story being told at the same time; both slightly different (i.e. in one line Noah sends a raven to look for land, the next line he sends a dove; later versions claim he sent one first then the other the next day but the early versions don't make any such distinction) and later versions largely mash these stories together in order to arrive at what you find in bibles today. |
thanks for the info :) :)
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
That question would only be relevant if there was even a remote chance that this thing is "the ark." What PKC actually asked was how is it that a localized flood can reach a depth of 4000m; which I would argue it cannot. |
yeah, but nutter is right, that's what i was implying. assuming the ark indeed existed though, why couldn't it be the ark do you think? |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by Trance Nutter
mrs bigfoot too. Remember, two of every animal. |
I'm not sure if sasquach would be considered clean or unclean... if sasquach are kosher then there would have to be 6 Mrs. Bigfoots on the ark. |
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