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| Capitalizt |
| quote: | | It is valuable in separating true claims about the world from false claims...in discerning reality. |
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
Yes, but of what value is that? |
Ask anyone with a lifespan over 20..anyone enjoying a lifestyle beyond that of a frightened savage in the jungle. Emotion and instinct alone would not have pulled humanity out of the stone age. We needed to learn about what we are, what type of world we find ourselves in, and how things work in the world in order to tame nature and build up civilization. There is no tool other than reason for the job. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by Capitalizt
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Just an FYI.... when Hal's posting there is a high probability he's arguing a position that is drastically opposed to his own. |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zyklon_Jay
do you really believe that women were created from a rib? |
well they weren't created equal that's for sure |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| quote: | Originally posted by Capitalizt
Ask anyone with a lifespan over 20..anyone enjoying a lifestyle beyond that of a frightened savage in the jungle. Emotion and instinct alone would not have pulled humanity out of the stone age. We needed to learn about what we are, what type of world we find ourselves in, and how things work in the world in order to tame nature and build up civilization. There is no tool other than reason for the job. |
Yes, but why was that important? Why was it necessary? Sure, it had the effect of bringing about uniformity and cohesion to our species, eventually leading to you and I and everyone else prattling on over Internet forums, but do you think the primitive hordes of yesteryear had that in mind? Or was the span of things just a cosmic accident given particular circumstances our embryonic understanding of the cosmos can scarcely begin to describe in its entirety?
Knowledge, be it supposedly divine or scientific in nature, has always come with its high, its scent. It's why things like science and religion can be so divisive and viral within our species - we are addicted to seeking it out in all of its forms, whether they are of any consistent significance or objectivity, or not. They are equally as natural an inclination as the other, both with separate yet similar sets of benefits and inefficiencies, both complementing one another in the crucible of our species' experience.
Reason is a rather touchy, fleeting thing with this in mind. Whose reason does one subscribe to? Is reason not at the behest of discretion too, even when it is irrational? When someone's baby is sick, do you reason that it's reasonable to inform them that chances are their child is going to die due to a detailed, statistical assessment of their particular ailment given the propensity of infant mortality concurrence? Or is it equally as natural for our mindsets to soldier on in what could be reduced to ignorance, yet is situationally eschewed as mere inference or "hope"? What do you tell your withered, old grandma when she says she will see you next year? "Sorry, granny, that's just not reasonable. Chances are I'll never see you again- but don't sweat it! We're all just acids and compounds brought to a slow boil by the conceit of viral significance for the sole purpose of reproduction, you'll never see anyone again when you're dead!"
Reason is just no way to live your life as a complete human. Individuals got us where we are today; singular people doing what they thought best for their own situations, banding together to of course form competetive groups to best obtain resources, and yes, reasoning was an important tool in the development of this dynamic. But do you think anyone would even want to live past the age of 20 if they weren't capable of embracing all of the irrational we as a species partake in? All the subtleties that utterly defy reason as a code of intelligent conduct, yet define intelligence as we know it? |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
Just an FYI.... when Hal's posting there is a high probability he's arguing a position that is drastically opposed to his own. |
Now that's just unreasonable! |
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| Nrg2Nfinit |
| what is a behest :p |
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| Renzo |
Stop being such a contrarian, Hal.
You and your views. , your views. |
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| Nrg2Nfinit |
| quote: | Originally posted by Renzo
Stop being such a contrarian, Hal.
You and your views. , your views. |
who let you out of your steeple? back in there 'til god says otherwise :p |
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| Joss Weatherby |
| quote: | Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
Religion, mainly the concept of the afterlife or that there is something higher than you in control, is a way to satiate the masses and provide a false sense of hope or a reason for their lack of control. If this life is only temporary then why try to change things, especially if you do not have control anyways? :conf: |
For those of you who chose to keep believing I thank you, it makes it easier for the rest of us to control you. :) |
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| Fledz |
| Nou, you couldn't control a dog on a leash. |
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| Zyklon_Jay |
| man i want ing ribs. |
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| Vernon Wanderer |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zyklon_Jay
man i want ing ribs. |
:stongue: :stongue: :stongue: :stongue: :stongue: |
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