I: Theoretically, if there is a god, and he created you, provdes for you keeps you allive blah blah blah, doesnt that give him the right to tell you what do do?
Christopher mother in Hitchens: No.
Cue confusion in the interviewerspart.
Spam
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Originally posted by Moongoose
I love this.
I: Theoretically, if there is a god, and he created you, provdes for you keeps you allive blah blah blah, doesnt that give him the right to tell you what do do?
Christopher mother in Hitchens: No.
The skinny chick on Atheist Experience directed viewers to watch this interview lol.
"But Mr Hitchens, what IF there WAS a God?"
"Still no, dammit, I owe him nothing"
"But Mr Hitchens, we're talking hypothetically here, what if there WAS a God?"
"No!"
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Moongoose
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Originally posted by Spam
The skinny chick on Atheist Experience directed viewers to watch this interview lol.
"But Mr Hitchens, what IF there WAS a God?"
"Still no, dammit, I owe him nothing"
"But Mr Hitchens, we're talking hypothetically here, what if there WAS a God?"
"No!"
Haha, yes ive seen that clip now, and my sentiments are exactly the same as hers :D The dude thinks that Hitchens keeps saying no because he doesnt get the concept of "in theory" :D
Happymess
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Originally posted by Moongoose
Todd: "Well, I'm not sure that God is Kim Jong.."
Hitch: "Kim Jong has a different opinion."
:stongue: :stongue:
Jake Sevendy
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Originally posted by Znack
I admit, probability is an ambiguous word in this context, but if that is where the misunderstanding lies, everything else is then resolved?
ok, the first of all we need to define probability. everything ambiguous can be re-defined if enough detail is put into the language.
the most probable expectation, is that the easiest definition will suffice. this is highly probable, because most people don't care a great detail about the likeliness of them being wrong.
Most people consider themselves correct, because they are 'probably' never wrong.
Something that is probable to happen, means it will most likely not happen. We often see this in history. The probability that a great man, like Jesus, or like the Guy you mentioned that no one "took seriously"
is going to come along and be able to change the world is
Very likely. Millions of people have existed for quite some time...A lot of people have come and gone in 2000 years...
but that change never happens. Because if these guys ever get to the top, they get the chop. Caeser, J.F.Kennedy, Jesus** , (Hitler?)
** just because he existed, doesnt probably make him the son of god.
Something that is probable in your head, isn't probable in the real world.
Probability is like taking a sheet of paper and eliminating the world
and theres the problem. no one knows the conditions of what is probable...unless you can predict the future.
one way of doing this is analyzing structure of behavior.
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Originally posted by Znack
And now you are calculating in low statistical odds again. Suddenly, you pull everything else back, and says 51% probability is enough to believe.
Again again again: no. Fact that something is a bit more likely than the opposite is not a reason to believe something, Belief is to believe it's true, not that it's likely.
belief is the belief that something is probably going to happen.
this comes from the confidence that the analysis of a situation has gone correctly, and with almost only 5% error margin, this can be constitutionalized into a mfk-ing percentage.
probability happens when something is more probable to happen then not. believing something is probable only requires 51%, the break even point.
Jake Sevendy
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Originally posted by Znack
It's right there, you're wrong. A belief is an idea which is assumed to be true, not one which is assumed to be likely. It is not rational to believe in something because it is likely. It is rational to consider it likely.
a belief is something that isn't true that is believed to be true, more than likely, its usually not proven.
you have to believe for it to be true, it doesn't stand alone, you need to defend a belief.
ideas and facts stand alone - yes ideas can be improved, but you don't have to believe and idea, in order for it to be true.
and idea can be true in its nature, and true in its information. this is something that not even a statement can do.
thats why ideas are labelled as the most dangerous things, and idealists usually become martyrs.
you can also have a belief that something that is true, is false.
and lastly you can believe that something that isn't true or false, is either true or false.
there are such things that escape judgement, and become impartial.
something along the lines of ideas, but much high degree of EVERYTHING. something aspiring non-perfectible perfectionsm.
ps. if language ever gives someone problems, add a second noun right after the first noun to make a more detailed point, avoids confusion.
example: the ing **** mother******s....you get the point.
