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OK, so who's your favorite all-time producer? (pg. 9)
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| RapidFire |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
That isn't production. I'm sure he sits there and tells his studio mates how he wants a part to sound, but anyone can do that. I can do that. I have done that. Likewise, a rock guitarist or a jazz drummer or a folk singer could write melodies. Could they sit down with studio equipment and make a slick-sounding dance record? No chance. Production is an art in itself, and Sasha absolutely, comprehensively cannot do it. He's relied on co-producers and engineers for his whole career. The only Sasha record I can't hear another producer's sound all over is Arkham Asylum/Ohmna, and even then I suspect it was produced by Phil Dane. |
im sure after 20+ years in the business sasha's grasped the technical aspects but then again we don't know for sure. the point is I enjoy the productions of the Sasha monkier, and that means the collective imput of all those involved. I'm not a fan of May on his own and its clear that when he's not working with Sasha his productions lack that edge (at least to me). |
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| SYSTEM-J |
Sasha has spent most of those 20+ years DJing. Not only does he spend thousands of hours travelling and playing, he's got all the PR, business side of things and just plain old-fashioned listening to hundreds of records every week.
I'm sure he can do some production, but the point is Sasha's records always sound absolutely top of the game. That's why you like them, that's why you're posting about him in this thread. To produce to that standard you have to be a dedicated producer. Sasha has always wanted his records to sound top of the game, but he's never had the time to get good enough. Hence why he's always used co-producers and why he's now using more co-producers than ever before.
I think it's simply a bit fanboyish to make these naive and unrealistic assumptions about his level of involvement. I like his records too and they always have great production, but I would never put his name in this thread. |
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| RapidFire |
again, I say sasha as a collective unit. your assumptions are just as "naive" and baseless as mine... we're both going off what we think goes on in the studio.
and yes the man has used co-producers but so what? none of them have sounded as good as they do when they're working with him and that should tell you something.
I don't understand the big deal in naming Sasha is my favorite producer. It's the equivalent of saying Tiesto is my favorite... we all know he uses engineers but in the end its his sound which has had distinct continuity and progression. The co-producers might polish the songs but they are not at the heart of them. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by RapidFire
again, I say sasha as a collective unit. your assumptions are just as "naive" and baseless as mine... we're both going off what we think goes on in the studio. |
Just because we're both speculating doesn't mean we're both equally likely to be correct. If I speculated that Sasha summoned Satan as a co-producer it doesn't make it as likely as any other theory. I've read interviews with Sasha, Dekkard, BT and Charlie May, interviews that go right back to the mid-90s. I've heard most of Sasha's productions since his career started and I've heard a lot of productions by all his co-producers. I've offered up realistic, plausible counters to your pie-in-the-sky suggestions about what Sasha has probably learned.
| quote: | | and yes the man has used co-producers but so what? none of them have sounded as good as they do when they're working with him and that should tell you something. |
I completely disagree. There are Spooky records that have been way better than anything Sasha has made. Likewise with BT, Richard Dekkard, Phil Dane and even The Light.
| quote: | | I don't understand the big deal in naming Sasha is my favorite producer. It's the equivalent of saying Tiesto is my favorite... we all know he uses engineers but in the end its his sound which has had distinct continuity and progression. The co-producers might polish the songs but they are not at the heart of them. |
I don't think it's valid to call Tiesto your favourite producer either. You can't admit you don't know what Sasha does in the studio and then call him your favourite ever producer anyway. Especially when he's used a phalanx of co-producers right through his career. You can't claim the others are just "polishing" his core work.
I've sat with a good producer and told him how I wanted things to sound. The results were very different to what his own work sounds like and the results did have my influence all over them. But I have no musical talent and no production expertise. This bull about how Sasha has a distinct sound (which I disagree with anyway, the switches between producers were massively obvious and clearly evidence of more than just a change in "polishing) doesn't wash with me, because I've been in exactly that situation and I know you can have a distinct sound with no knowledge and no talent. |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
I've sat with a good producer and told him how I wanted things to sound. The results were very different to what his own work sounds like and the results did have my influence all over them. But I have no musical talent and no production expertise. This bull about how Sasha has a distinct sound (which I disagree with anyway, the switches between producers were massively obvious and clearly evidence of more than just a change in "polishing) doesn't wash with me, because I've been in exactly that situation and I know you can have a distinct sound with no knowledge and no talent. |
I'd be interested to here the result of this. I've hung out with a few non-producers in studios and have been able to hear some of their instructions and follow them to the desired result. More often, however, I've simply followed them into never-ending chaos while they struggled to articulate their desire while getting completely side-tracked with developments. It would get to a certain point at which it would appear they had worked both of us into a corner.
On a tangent, I have to admit I'm a little surprised that someone who can spin as well as you and has such a comprehensive knowledge of music, hasn't seen fit to purchase a DAW and start producing yet. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by EddieZilker
I'd be interested to here the result of this. |
No such luck. Because he wasn't getting paid to take such orders and stood to gain nothing from it but realising someone else's ideas, we never actually finished anything. He preferred to make synth-pop, I was getting to him make psy trance. I found it relatively easy to communicate my ideas, though. If I couldn't explain a sound I wanted, I'd play him a record containing that sound.
| quote: | | On a tangent, I have to admit I'm a little surprised that someone who can spin as well as you and has such a comprehensive knowledge of music, hasn't seen fit to purchase a DAW and start producing yet. |
I have a DAW. I did try briefly to make something but I was utterly useless. I have no musical training, I was trying to understand scales and chords from reading about them, I was beginning from absolute scratch and yet I had these grand ideas. I can hear the records I want to make in my head, I just can't get those same sounds out of the equipment.
The thing is, I'm a writer. I don't want to sound arrogant about my abilities, but if I have an idea in my head I can sit down and make that idea appear on the page as it does in my head. Other people might think the idea sucks, but the important part is that I can realise it. That's because I've been writing since I was 7 years old. I've spent most of my life just honing my abilities, writing little stories, unfinished experiments, going through formal education. I can talk to you about free indirect discourse, narrative discourse levels, diegetic strategies, metaphor and metonym, fabula and sujet... subjects most people find as alien and inexplicable as I find chromatic scales, intervals and frequency cut-offs.
Because I have that ability in one creative field I become frustrated when I don't have it in another field, and I do not want to spend another 15 years of my life learning it all again. I haven't got another childhood to invest in it. |
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| Mr.Mystery |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
I have a DAW. I did try briefly to make something but I was utterly useless. I have no musical training, I was trying to understand scales and chords from reading about them, I was beginning from absolute scratch and yet I had these grand ideas. I can hear the records I want to make in my head, I just can't get those same sounds out of the equipment. |
Actually, I have no musical training either, I cannot read notes nor can I play any instrument. Never stopped me.
That's not me saying I'd be brilliant at what I do, but still... don't let that discourage you. Just take it as a hobby. |
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| geroin |
| quote: | Originally posted by RapidFire
again, I say sasha as a collective unit. your assumptions are just as "naive" and baseless as mine... we're both going off what we think goes on in the studio.
and yes the man has used co-producers but so what? none of them have sounded as good as they do when they're working with him and that should tell you something.
I don't understand the big deal in naming Sasha is my favorite producer. It's the equivalent of saying Tiesto is my favorite... we all know he uses engineers but in the end its his sound which has had distinct continuity and progression. The co-producers might polish the songs but they are not at the heart of them. |
i don't think tiesto made one track on his own, in fact his latest album was created by a bunch of other producers, he just put his name on the album cover. I actually think the only involment tiesto had was to listen to the album when it was finished :stongue: |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
That's not me saying I'd be brilliant at what I do, but still... don't let that discourage you. Just take it as a hobby. |
I've got enough hobbies. And it isn't the fact I can't read music that bothers me, it's the fact I can't make my ideas reality. |
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| Settimo |
Boris Brejcha.
Genius....:D |
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