Originally posted by WittyHandle
If you want to call him gay that's fine, but to point out his issue with gravitationally challenged testes is a low blow.
:stongue:
pkcRAISTLIN
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Originally posted by The17sss
Time Magazine has the number at 24%. And don't blame the Right- lets flashback to a couple of items published in the New York Times:
March the 6th, 2007 from uber lefty Nicholas Kristoff:
lol... and this doesn't help much either. Good save, Stephanopolous!
Personally, I don't think he gives a rat's ass about religion that much in general. But it doesn't help the "Muslim" perception thing when you look at the above examples, how he's constantly making appeals to Muslim leaders, the fact that he just tried to turn NASA into a Muslim outreach vehicle, having the Christian cross removed from display when he speaks (Georgetown Univ.), and when he supports the Ground Zero mosque shortly after lecturing Israel to stop building apartments for Jews in E. Jerusalem because of sensitivities toward Muslims there. The optics look bad.
Don’t blame the new york times for your countrymen being ing morons. I mean honestly, how many of those 18% can even ing read, let alone read that communist rag?
chlola
Is he catholic or WTF?
The17sss
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Originally posted by chlola
Is he catholic or WTF?
This interview he did basically sums it up:
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What he believes: “I believe that there are many paths to the same place, and that is a belief that there is a higher power, a belief that we are connected as a people.”
On whether he considers himself born again: “Yeah, although I don’t, I retain from my childhood and my experiences growing up a suspicion of dogma. And I’m not somebody who is always comfortable with language that implies I’ve got a monopoly on the truth, or that my faith is automatically transferable to others.”
On who Jesus is to him: “Jesus is an historical figure for me, and he’s also a bridge between God and man, in the Christian faith, and one that I think is powerful precisely because he serves as that means of us reaching something higher. And he’s also a wonderful teacher.”
On who he looks to for guidance: “Well, my pastor [Jeremiah Wright] is certainly someone who I have an enormous amount of respect for. I have a number of friends who are ministers. Reverend [James] Meeks is a close friend and colleague of mine in the state Senate. Father Michael Pfleger is a dear friend, and somebody I interact with closely.”
On the existence of hell: “I find it hard to believe that my God would consign four-fifths of the world to hell. I can’t imagine that my God would allow some little Hindu kid in India who never interacts with the Christian faith to somehow burn for all eternity. That’s just not part of my religious makeup.”
On doctrine: “I think that each of us when we walk into our church or mosque or synagogue are interpreting that experience in different ways, are reading scriptures in different ways and are arriving at our own understanding at different ways and in different phases. I don’t know a healthy congregation or an effective minister who doesn’t recognize that. If all it took was someone proclaiming I believe Jesus Christ and that he died for my sins, and that was all there was to it, people wouldn’t have to keep coming to church, would they.”
On the existence of heaven: “What I believe in is that if I live my life as well as I can, that I will be rewarded. I don’t presume to have knowledge of what happens after I die. But I feel very strongly that whether the reward is in the here and now or in the hereafter, the aligning myself to my faith and my values is a good thing.”
On what sin is: “Being out of alignment with my values.”
On being aligned spiritually:
OBAMA: “It’s when I’m being true to myself. It’s interesting, the most powerful political moments for me come when I feel like my actions are aligned with a certain truth. I can feel it. When I’m talking to a group and I’m saying something truthful, I can feel a power that comes out of those statements that is different than when I’m just being glib or clever.
FALSANI: What’s that power? Is it the holy spirit? God?
OBAMA: Well, I think it’s the power of the recognition of God, or the recognition of a larger truth that is being shared between me and an audience.
Sounds like in practice he just follows his own idea of religious doctrine and what spirituality is. Although there's still nothing clear to what he believes, which tells me religion isn't too high on his priority list. Nothing wrong with that.
jonSun
The sad thing is that many many americans pick their candidate they vote for by which religion that person is.
MrJiveBoJingles
He is vague about his religious beliefs in order to hide his secretive practice of Islam.
The17sss
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Originally posted by jonSun
The sad thing is that many many americans pick their candidate they vote for by which religion that person is.
If they could break up the United States into 4 separate countries, would be a hell of a lot more manageable.
Lira
And what would the problem be if he were indeed a Muslim? :conf:
"OMG, he believes in Jesus and some other guy we don't believe in!"
jonSun
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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
He is vague about his religious beliefs in order to hide his secretive practice of Islam.
and plan for global jihad
MrJiveBoJingles
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Originally posted by Lira
And what would the problem be if he were indeed a Muslim?
Muslims are all either terrorists or likely to sympathize with terrorists and give into their demands rather than defend America.
The17sss
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Originally posted by Lira
And what would the problem be if he were indeed a Muslim? :conf:
"OMG, he believes in Jesus and some other guy we don't believe in!"
Well nothing would be wrong if he really was and was honest about it from the start. Imagine if he denied the stupid allegations for years including the run-up to getting elected, then after some time in office admitted he was Muslim? Then it would be a problem. It's funny now though, while this moronic distraction is taking place, that his supporters are very determined to prove what a solid Christian he is... but when Bush was in office it was a problem having someone who was staunch in his personal identification as a Christian. :p
chlola
I voted for him because he's black and arrogant.
...And I find no fault with him.
Even his green light on the mosque, makes sense in the big picture.
