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Election 2010: Red Tsunami (pg. 4)
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| ziptnf |
| quote: | Originally posted by osterzone
The classic 16-year-old ignorant mindset.
'Since people didn't vote the way I voted, they must be stupid'.
What a sad, myopic individual you are. |
Spoken like a true 16 year old.
It's not about voting the way you vote, it's about repeating the same failed agenda that has already put us in this ing mess. It's like if some big black dude raped you, and the police investigation of the big black dude wasn't taking long enough, so you fired the police and let the big black dude run things. |
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| idoru |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moongoose
You see ther next two years interesting, i see them as mostly the same. The republicans will have hissy fits over anything that smells of liberal and doesnt include tax cuts for the rich and corporations and the dems will cave in as always because they are huge ing pussies. So as usual nothing will get done, america will continue to decline due to your failed economic and foreign policies and the res of the world will continue considering revoking your independence since youre clearly not able to take care of yourselves ;) |
This. |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
First of all, every major piece of legislation the Democrats wanted was PASSED (and done so in opposition to what the public wanted- a main reason why Democrats got whacked last night); what, Democrats couldn't get what they wanted with a 77 seat majority in the House, an 18-20 seat majority in the Senate, and a Democrat President? LOL! Nice try but that talking point doesn't hold any water. |
Cap and Trade, a Second Stimulus, Don't Ask Don't Tell, Guantanamo, Federal Reserve appointees - just five quick examples of things that Obama couldn't accomplish without 60 votes in the Senate. You can blame Obama if you want, but you know as well as I that it takes 60 votes to do business in the Senate these days.
| quote: | | And WTF is Jeff talking about with health care polling well? It most certainly is not- 58% or so still support repeal... and virtually every House Democrat who voted for Obamacare was ousted last night. |
Not once they learn what reform actually encompassed:
| quote: | For the last few weeks, polls have consistently shown that between 40 and 50 percent of Americans answer "yes" when pollsters ask about repeal. But the numbers change when the pollsters ask follow-up questions.
The individual features of reform, like prohibitions on denying coverage to people with pre-existing conditions or helping seniors pay for prescription drugs, remain wildly popular. When you tell people that repeal would mean giving up these features, as it necessarily would, support for repeal falls. In a recent CBS/New York Times poll, the proportion of respondents favoring repeal fell from 41 to 25 percent. |
http://www.tnr.com/blog/jonathan-co...ns-favor-repeal
You're a savvy guy - you know that repeal would require a whole debate about what would actually go away. Right now the numbers suggest that support for repeal is pretty tenuous.
EDIT: And that doesn't even get into how you'd pay for repeal of reform. |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| quote: | Originally posted by iammesol
Please do. Your insight is incredibly helpful! |
I actually write more frequently now - just here (click). :) |
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| igottaknow |
economist will tell you politicians have very little control over the economy. if the economy is doing well then the incumbents take credit for it, if its doing poorly then the opposition uses it to get elected. in this case i would say the dems took a lot of unpopular steps bailing out the banks and GM. Both of which are already proving to be the right move, with the tarp money being payed back and GM on the road to recovery. while the rep basically made every effort to criticize, block, and offered no alternate solutions. the reps are always advocating a government hands off policy to the economy aka the market is always right, no regulation, etc (which is the reason we're in the mess that we are in now). Seems like the only answer they ever have is cut taxes which is great for buying votes but does little to solve any problems.
The problem is corporations laid off ppl when the econ. was bad and when it recovered, they pocketed the savings instead of re-hiring the people they laid off. But that's laissez-faire. I mean the point of corp. is to maximize your profits and thats precisely what they are doing. not sure how thats the dems fault? |
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| colonelcrisp |
| quote: | Originally posted by Banora
Kentucky never ceases to fail. |
Kentucky also invented the toothbrush.... if it was invented anywhere else, it probably would have been called the teethbrush lol |
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| D-res |
| Wisconsin lost Feingold, one of the few trustworthy politicians. Faux news and unlimited campaign contributions did their job. We're ed |
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| Banora |
| quote: | Originally posted by colonelcrisp
Kentucky also invented the toothbrush.... if it was invented anywhere else, it probably would have been called the teethbrush lol |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
Yet the Democrats still got more donations in this election from public sector Unions than the GOP got from eeeeevil corporations, and they spent more money than the GOP overall on their campaigns. Those of who you scream down the Supreme Court decision do so primarily because you think it will benefit Republicans... otherwise you'd be against the public sector union tactics of donating hundreds of millions of dollars to only Democrats. Plus, Obama got 70% of donated Wall Street dollars in his presidential bid... a first. |
Don’t project your partisan BS on the rest of us, especially not me. I have absolutely no care for who donates the money or where it goes to. Hell, many sectors donate to both parties. I am simply against so much influence resting with special interests, whomever they may be. its not a DvR thing, it’s a money v people thing. |
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| WhooCares |
to the17sss its always going to be a D v R thing...
dont u get it! he cant compromise...hed get kicked off the republican party if he did |
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
Cap and Trade, a Second Stimulus, Don't Ask Don't Tell, Guantanamo, Federal Reserve appointees - just five quick examples of things that Obama couldn't accomplish without 60 votes in the Senate. You can blame Obama if you want, but you know as well as I that it takes 60 votes to do business in the Senate these days. |
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Obama did have 60 votes for the entire first year, until Scott Brown got elected in January 2010... and it was his promise that Gitmo would have been closed in year 1. Cap and Trade did pass in the House. Thankfully, it died in the Senate as it should have, as resulting tax and energy increases would have been even bigger Democrat suicide for last night. The mess about appointees is something else- he used recess appointments to place controversial people to avoid the public scrutiny that comes with a confirmation hearing.... i.e. Donald Berwick.
That number spin was spintastic. It's actually getting worse as we find out more of what it's doing... it's shutting down insurance companies and forcing businesses to drop coverage much quicker than planned, as mandates are forcing premium increases (he said we may see premiums decrease by up to 3500%... lol) and pricing competitors right out of the market. This is by design, and goes along exactly what Obama talked about during his Senate days with "putting the proper steps in place to lead to a single payer in 10 years" or so.
November 1: 58% favor repeal, 45% strongly favor it:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...health_care_law
| quote: | You're a savvy guy - you know that repeal would require a whole debate about what would actually go away. Right now the numbers suggest that support for repeal is pretty tenuous.
EDIT: And that doesn't even get into how you'd pay for repeal of reform. |
Well, yes... you're right. I have no illusions of the difficulty involved, and I understand it may take at least 2 election cycles. ANd most people still don't even know what's in it or understand its complexity; we only find out as the unintended consequences start manifesting. And again, by no means do I feel like I can relax; the heavy lifting begins now and Republicans can't possibly with their voter base again, or they'll end up like Alan Grayson: 1 and done. I have optimism, but it's cautious optimism. There are better ways... better formulas for reform of health care than the massive boondoggle that was rammed through. I think we all deserve something better than what's been forced on us. |
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| srussell0018 |
| quote: | Originally posted by osterzone
The classic 16-year-old ignorant mindset.
'Since people didn't vote the way I voted, they must be stupid'.
What a sad, myopic individual you are. |
Osterzone is the best troll ever. The way he so gracefully contradicts himself, and uses his thesaurus to spruce up his inane and mindless posts is truly mystifying. |
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