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Election 2010: Red Tsunami (pg. 8)
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
Rasmussen was off by nearly 5 points on 85% of all races on Tuesday - at what point do you finally recognize that their numbers are inherently biased and wrong? |
Fine... does the CBS News poll work for you?
Thank you for posting this comment. First of all, the article clearly says that the credit making it possible will phase out gradually (I'm guessing conveniently around 2013 after Obama hopes to get re-elected). It also says that the credit doesn't stop the rapidly rising double-digit premiums from the Obamacare bill's mandates... it's a classic bait and switch argument. This part of the article is more telling:
| quote: | Small business lobbyists say the Obama administration is overestimating the reach of the tax credit and failing to factor in a slate of new taxes in the health law that will fall on small business, such as a tax on insurers. NFIB, the small business lobby, estimates that fewer than two million employers will end up getting the credit.
"Most of them tell us they can't qualify for the credit, or it's just too low an incentive to be helpful," said Brad Close, vice president of public policy for NFIB. |
And then we have this data, which is more instructive, after the whole "if you like your doctor, you can keep them, your premiums will decrease, blah blah blah" nonsense. Pelosi's proclamation of "We need to pass the bill first so we can see what's in it" is ringing true like a motherfucker:
The company 3M announced this week Obamacare may force up to 23,000 retirees out of their current health care plans. 3M Co. confirmed it would eventually stop offering its health-insurance plan to retirees, citing the federal health overhaul as a factor. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100...=googlenews_wsj
Connecticut: Anthem Blue Cross & Blue Shield, the state's largest insurer, forced to raise premiums 47% due to new taxes and mandates in the Health Care bill: http://articles.courant.com/2010-10...thomas-sullivan
Iowa: Principal Financial Group lays off 1,500 people, forced out of Health Care Insurance business, further reducing competition among health insurers in Iowa.
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/ar...health-business
Association of American Medical Colleges: ObamaCare will make doctor shortage 50% worse by 2015.
| quote: | The U.S. healthcare reform law will worsen a shortage of physicians as millions of newly insured patients seek care, the Association of American Medical Colleges said on Thursday.
The group’s Center for Workforce Studies released new estimates that showed shortages would be 50 percent worse in 2015 than forecast.
“While previous projections showed a baseline shortage of 39,600 doctors in 2015, current estimates bring that number closer to 63,000, with a worsening of shortages through 2025,” the group said in a statement. |
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE68T67120100930
"CBO Confirms: Obamacare Discourages Work." --> http://blogs.investors.com/capitalh...iscourages-work
Medicare and Medicaid actuaries predict that medical costs will skyrocket, rising $389 billion 10 years. 14 million will lose their employer-based coverage. Evidence arises that the department of Health and Human Services knew this, and sat on the damning evidence until after Congressional elections. http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.co...ressional-vote/
Florida: Blue Cross/Blue Shield forced to raise premiums 10% in last 8 months. Excerpt: "President Obama told us that under his plan, health insurance premiums would go down. I think he forgot to tell Blue Cross Blue Shield of Florida." http://www.news-journalonline.com/o...s-going-up.html
North Carolina: Half of 18% premium increases due to Obamacare mandates. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100...0948908976.html
New York: Insurance for New York City small businesses will rise as much as 74% in 2011, forcing small businesses to freeze hiring. http://www.crainsnewyork.com/articl...LLBIZ/310109996
Oregon: Blue Cross/Blue Sheild forced to raise premiums 17%. http://www.news-journalonline.com/o...s-going-up.html
Wisconsin: Celtic Insurance premiums to raise 18%. (same article as above).
Washington: Mandates in Obamacare force Regency Blueshield to drop "child only" coverage. http://www.king5.com/news/local/Reg...-103977938.html
US: Wellpoint, CoventryOne forced to drop "child only" coverage due to new mandates in at least 4 states. http://www.usmoneytalk.com/finance/...y-coverage-909/
Connecticut: Insurance Increases Not Going To Doctors:
"On Dec. 1, Medicare physician fees will decrease by more than 24 percent, followed by another decrease of more than 6 percent on Jan. 1. These drastic fee cuts will force many Connecticut physicians either to accept no new Medicare patients or to drop out of the Medicare program entirely, with major implications for Connecticut seniors."
http://articles.courant.com/2010-10...ecticut-doctors
Florida: Doctors hit hard by new Obamacare bill: "Healthcare reform is hitting physicians in private practice hard, said Robin Fielding, CEO of Orthopaedic Center of South Florida in Plantation... 'And the lack of tort reform will continue to push the cost of malpractice insurance through the roof.'"
http://www.miamitodaynews.com/news/101007/story5.shtml
Plenty more where that came from. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
Fine... does the CBS News poll work for you?
Thank you for posting this comment. First of all, the article clearly says that the credit making it possible will phase out gradually (I'm guessing conveniently around 2013 after Obama hopes to get re-elected). It also says that the credit doesn't stop the rapidly rising double-digit premiums from the Obamacare bill's mandates... it's a classic bait and switch argument. This part of the article is more telling:
And then we have this data, which is more instructive, after the whole "if you like your doctor, you can keep them, your premiums will decrease, blah blah blah" nonsense. Pelosi's proclamation of "We need to pass the bill first so we can see what's in it" is ringing true like a motherfucker:
The company 3M announced this week Obamacare may force up to 23,000 retirees out of their current health care plans. 3M Co. confirmed it would eventually stop offering its health-insurance plan to retirees, citing the federal health overhaul as a factor. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100...=googlenews_wsj
Connecticut: Anthem Blue Cross & Blue Shield, the state's largest insurer, forced to raise premiums 47% due to new taxes and mandates in the Health Care bill: http://articles.courant.com/2010-10...thomas-sullivan
Iowa: Principal Financial Group lays off 1,500 people, forced out of Health Care Insurance business, further reducing competition among health insurers in Iowa.
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/ar...health-business
Association of American Medical Colleges: ObamaCare will make doctor shortage 50% worse by 2015.
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE68T67120100930
"CBO Confirms: Obamacare Discourages Work." --> http://blogs.investors.com/capitalh...iscourages-work
Medicare and Medicaid actuaries predict that medical costs will skyrocket, rising $389 billion 10 years. 14 million will lose their employer-based coverage. Evidence arises that the department of Health and Human Services knew this, and sat on the damning evidence until after Congressional elections. http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.co...ressional-vote/
Florida: Blue Cross/Blue Shield forced to raise premiums 10% in last 8 months. Excerpt: "President Obama told us that under his plan, health insurance premiums would go down. I think he forgot to tell Blue Cross Blue Shield of Florida." http://www.news-journalonline.com/o...s-going-up.html
North Carolina: Half of 18% premium increases due to Obamacare mandates. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100...0948908976.html
New York: Insurance for New York City small businesses will rise as much as 74% in 2011, forcing small businesses to freeze hiring. http://www.crainsnewyork.com/articl...LLBIZ/310109996
Oregon: Blue Cross/Blue Sheild forced to raise premiums 17%. http://www.news-journalonline.com/o...s-going-up.html
Wisconsin: Celtic Insurance premiums to raise 18%. (same article as above).
Washington: Mandates in Obamacare force Regency Blueshield to drop "child only" coverage. http://www.king5.com/news/local/Reg...-103977938.html
US: Wellpoint, CoventryOne forced to drop "child only" coverage due to new mandates in at least 4 states. http://www.usmoneytalk.com/finance/...y-coverage-909/
Connecticut: Insurance Increases Not Going To Doctors:
"On Dec. 1, Medicare physician fees will decrease by more than 24 percent, followed by another decrease of more than 6 percent on Jan. 1. These drastic fee cuts will force many Connecticut physicians either to accept no new Medicare patients or to drop out of the Medicare program entirely, with major implications for Connecticut seniors."
http://articles.courant.com/2010-10...ecticut-doctors
Florida: Doctors hit hard by new Obamacare bill: "Healthcare reform is hitting physicians in private practice hard, said Robin Fielding, CEO of Orthopaedic Center of South Florida in Plantation... 'And the lack of tort reform will continue to push the cost of malpractice insurance through the roof.'"
http://www.miamitodaynews.com/news/101007/story5.shtml
Plenty more where that came from. |
So, what you’re saying is America is too ing dumb to do what everyone else in the advanced world accomplished with much less hassle? |
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| Alex23 |
+1 to PKC
The USA needs to sort out the fact that 50 million Americans don't have medical coverage.
Universal healthcare IS costly but it leads to a much healthier population. |
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
So, what you’re saying is America is too ing dumb to do what everyone else in the advanced world accomplished with much less hassle? |
I would actually say the current American Federal government is possibly the greediest faction of people in the world, and they won't do it in such a way that doesn't: A) Insulate themselves from their own policies they push on the masses, and B) give them more power/money/control to wield. I believe it's a lot closer to the truth in saying that they don't really give a about John Q. Homeowner's health and well-being. |
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| shaw |
| quote: | Originally posted by Alex23
+1 to PKC
The USA needs to sort out the fact that 50 million Americans don't have medical coverage.
Universal healthcare IS costly but it leads to a much healthier population. |
while we're at it, here are some other great things to have:
-shelter
-food
-a car
-basic toiletries
-a laptop
-a winter coat
-a cell phone
-air jordans
-a kegerator
-a universal remote
-mexicans
-seadoos
-dyson fans
Who cares? It's just rich people paying for it, anyway. |
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| Lews |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
I would actually say the current American Federal government is possibly the greediest faction of people in the world, and they won't do it in such a way that doesn't: A) Insulate themselves from their own policies they push on the masses, and B) give them more power/money/control to wield. I believe it's a lot closer to the truth in saying that they don't really give a about John Q. Homeowner's health and well-being. |
Well duh. It's a bunch of old, rich, white males. Of course they're a bunch of greedy bastards. |
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| Alex23 |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaw
while we're at it, here are some other great things to have:
-shelter
-food
-a car
-basic toiletries
-a laptop
-a winter coat
-a cell phone
-air jordans
-a kegerator
-a universal remote
-mexicans
-seadoos
-dyson fans
Who cares? It's just rich people paying for it, anyway. |
I don't really understand your logic. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaw
while we're at it, here are some other great things to have:
-shelter
-food
-a car
-basic toiletries
-a laptop
-a winter coat
-a cell phone
-air jordans
-a kegerator
-a universal remote
-mexicans
-seadoos
-dyson fans
Who cares? It's just rich people paying for it, anyway. |
Do you by any chance think the cost of insurance is a burden for business, especially small business? |
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| Alex23 |
| I suppose one could make the argument that a longer living population could become a burden on the social security system :p |
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| shaw |
| quote: | Originally posted by Alex23
I don't really understand your logic. |
Nor do I, yours. |
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| shaw |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
Do you by any chance think the cost of insurance is a burden for business, especially small business? |
$1 is a 'burden' at some level, so the question is irrelevant.
I can't define what's too much or 'ok,' but whatever burden there is will be taking a nice little hike over the next few years, and for the purpose of the discussion, that's all that's relevant. |
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