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| Kenny Rogers |
| the thing about PhD is this - u can only work as a teacher because no one else wants to hire your low-efficiency ass. |
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| Timothy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kenny Rogers
the thing about PhD is this - u can only work as a teacher because no one else wants to hire your low-efficiency ass. |
Depends in what field you are in. Maybe not in Arts or History, but if you got a PhD in Physics, you're the man :D |
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| Mad for Brad |
| quote: | Originally posted by Timothy
It's a bit silly to call people with PhD's not being good teachers. |
you do realize the skill they specialize and the skill of teaching are not the same ? What do you think happens when someone focuses entirely on their research and teaches because they have to ? Recipe for a great teacher ? Have you actually spent more than a few semesters at a post high-school level ?
It isn't silly, it is the sad truth. They know alot but as far as being good teachers, sadly the answer is often no. The problem is that you don't need PHD level knowledge to teach anything being taught at an undergrad level but the reason they are hired is for the research grants. The teaching is just a chore they have to do for the school as part of the deal. They aren't hired to teach. Some like it alot don't and treat it like some abhorrent chore.
Again this all depends on the sort of school you go to. Sadly the better the school is, the more likely your teacher will be less interested in teaching. Sort of a paradox. The great minds that have phds might teach but they have tenure, a large community following and pretty much do anything they like. They can be the worst teachers and get the worst reviews and their jobs will be safe. |
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| Mad for Brad |
but without a masters , you will never get above a certain pay grade with most big companies. You won't have a shot at a management position and it really is the new bachelor's degree. Everyone has a Bachelor degree that to put it on a resume is like saying you finished high school. Not really an achievement.
They have this attitude because most people that went on to do their masters where complete egg heads but this has changed in the last 10 years. A bachelor degree is completely useless in regards to how people view it on a resume. It isn't impressive they will put your resume at the bottom of the pile underneath the 100 other applications that have a masters degree.
It depends on the type of job. I'm talking about a real career type job with benefits starting 40 000 + .
I think a PHD is now the new masters degree. Most people won't hire one as they have just been out of society so long and since most of what you will actually use is learnt on the job, unless your particular knowledge set is relevant to the job at hand, it is rather wasted knowledge.
More importantly I suppose is where the degree is from. Having a master degree in engineering from MIT will get you any job you want. Same degree at some community college won't. Even for music, which usually degrees mean absolutely nothing, some degrees do matter. For example, my undergrad in piano performance at Curtis Institute of Music sets of red alarms bells and anyone mildly interested will now take you seriously. I did my graduate at McGill which is again one of the best schools in world for certain programs one of them being music. None of the degrees ever got me a job but they at least provided the initial how do you say credibility to get past the gate keepers. I've never been refused an interview and that is only because of those credentials. But once you are in , it is still the same but at least you get to jump the queue a bit. |
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| Timothy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mad for Brad
you do realize the skill they specialize and the skill of teaching are not the same ? What do you think happens when someone focuses entirely on their research and teaches because they have to ? Recipe for a great teacher ? Have you actually spent more than a few semesters at a post high-school level ?
It isn't silly, it is the sad truth. They know alot but as far as being good teachers, sadly the answer is often no. The problem is that you don't need PHD level knowledge to teach anything being taught at an undergrad level but the reason they are hired is for the research grants. The teaching is just a chore they have to do for the school as part of the deal. They aren't hired to teach. Some like it alot don't and treat it like some abhorrent chore.
Again this all depends on the sort of school you go to. Sadly the better the school is, the more likely your teacher will be less interested in teaching. Sort of a paradox. The great minds that have phds might teach but they have tenure, a large community following and pretty much do anything they like. They can be the worst teachers and get the worst reviews and their jobs will be safe. |
That is non-sense. If the university don't have a professor who is specialised in that area of the course, an expert working in the industry will teach the course for 1 day a week ( with a PhD ofcourse and highly rated publications ) or a PhD student who is specialized in that area.
I'm not saying alot of professors are not hired for research grants, they do, also to gain more prestige for the university. But they teach in the areas they are specialized in. |
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| Mad for Brad |
That is called cutting costs. And yes, they know alot about the topic. Conveying that information is another thing. I'm not saying all professors. Most philosophy phds or really anything in the arts will communicate rather well but good luck with any phd in the sciences. They are extremely smart but typically suck at teaching. Stop trying to rationalize the logistics. Ask anyone that has attended a descent University and they will tell you the same.
Schools don't get students because of good teachers, they get high enrolment because of reputation which is gained by the research output. Being good at teaching is not really a requirement to teach at university. I know it is silly and I don't agree with it but that is how it works. They often hire some teachers on non tenure terms that might not have a phd and these guys are typically the better teachers but any professor on tenure is there because of their output in their given community, not because of their ability to teach. |
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| Timothy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kenny Rogers
not really. my work have to think twice about hiring people with masters because they usually tend to think longer and be slower in most tasks. and because they demands more pay, more freedom, less responsibility etc. jobs tend to prefer bachelor degrees and above average interests in computers - gets you as long as you want. im taking the master only to keep my mind active because work staled abit. its basically thermodynamics in doing now which is relevant wherever i end up as im interested in energy. |
It's true, there are less jobs to be found if you got a PhD or a Masters degree. But I don't think it's for those reasons :) |
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| Mad for Brad |
Perhaps you are viewing it from the wrong perspective. Yes there are less jobs because someone with a higher education will typically not do the drudge work of someone with just a bachelors. Less jobs but less people with those degrees. Your odds are much better with a masters degree if you want to succeed in your given domain. And if you are in need of a job, and know that the master degree will be overkill, don't include it in your resume. Problem solved. There is no reason to get a master degree, It is 2 years more and it actually gives you some credibility.
Like I said, for good jobs, the kind of jobs people really want, a masters degree is a pre requisite even before an interview. Accept that the master degree has become the bachelor degree and the bachelor degree has become the highschool diploma. EVeryone has a bachelor degree. It no longer has much importance to most employers. I can't think of anyone I know that doesn't have a bachelor degree. Well except for the engineers I work with but that is another story and industry that is not within the score of academia.
I am almost surprised when I hear that someone has only finished high-school. |
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| Mad for Brad |
you seem to think people look at the degree in terms of the knowledge you know. This is not so. it is just a milestone of how smart you are and how fast you can learn. Getting 2 bachelor degrees unless at the same time is a complete waste of time. Trust me. You are much better of with a masters. It really doesn't matter in what. Unless the job is very specific , what you did your masters in does not matter as much as you think. You will learn most on the job. Employers assume you know nothing coming out of a bachelors.
I've read countless books on the hiring process and this really seems to be the common way of thinking among most employers. They are looking for smart people with ambition that can learn quickly. Unfortunately, getting a bachelor degree no longer fills the ambition criteria for the reasons I stated before. |
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| Storyteller |
I disagree, I'm a student (with a job on the side and an own little company) without any relevant diploma at this time and already get paid twice as much by the hour as my collegues and even friends with master degrees do. I even make more than my sister and she has 2 masters (in 5yrs) now on well respected universities.
Especially earlier in life I think diploma's are less relevant than they were given that you can show a proper portfolio/résumé and have related experience. I suspect things would be a lot harder if I would have been in my 30s without a diploma. |
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