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| Mad for Brad |
you disagree because of one anecdote ? Yes perhaps right out of school , master students don't' make much as finding a job does take time but over the next 20 years, you will find those with the master degrees making much more. Of course it all depends on the industry.
Again that is just one personal anecdote. You can't really draw much of a conclusion from that.
Here is a personal anecdote that I think is a little more far reaching. My dad was head of the engineering department of a firm that had about 15 000 employees. He spent much of his time as the main decision maker for who got hired and who didn't with most of the jobs starting at anywhere from 50 000 to 80 000. If you didn't have a master degree, you did not have a chance at getting in any type of management position and where stuck below a certain paygrade. It just wasn't possible. And that was 10 years ago when they were not as common as they are now. He also concurs with all the books on hiring in regards that they don't really care unless it the job is extremely specific which most in the higher bracket aren't in terms of what the degree says you know. They just care about what degree and from where. Thats it. He was also a consultant for some pretty big firms in streamlining the hiring process in order to maximize talent.
It is an additional 2 years and you don't have to put it on your resume if you think it will harm your chances in getting hired. But you will find most top earners in big companies these days all have a master degree. Wasn't the same 15 years ago but now a days, it is a given.
People without higher education typically earn on a linear basis. Every year they make a little more. Those with higher education usually earn on a more exponential based curve. so it makes perfect sense that someone that started working after high school after 6 years ia making more than someone fresh out of school. But in 20 years. It will change. Again this is all averages. Some people with no education make lots of money. You can't account for all the exceptions and to make your argument based on the exception is somewhat narrow sighter. |
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| Kenny Rogers |
| ill be back in 20 years and tell whether or not i earn more than my friends :p |
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| Mad for Brad |
| well you should of done an MBA but oh well. That is really the secret recipe. Undergrad in whatever and then the MBA. |
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| Timothy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mad for Brad
That is called cutting costs. And yes, they know alot about the topic. Conveying that information is another thing. I'm not saying all professors. Most philosophy phds or really anything in the arts will communicate rather well but good luck with any phd in the sciences. They are extremely smart but typically suck at teaching. Stop trying to rationalize the logistics. Ask anyone that has attended a descent University and they will tell you the same.
Schools don't get students because of good teachers, they get high enrolment because of reputation which is gained by the research output. Being good at teaching is not really a requirement to teach at university. I know it is silly and I don't agree with it but that is how it works. They often hire some teachers on non tenure terms that might not have a phd and these guys are typically the better teachers but any professor on tenure is there because of their output in their given community, not because of their ability to teach. |
I'm not rationalizing, I'm talking from experience. :D Not all PhD's in sciences are bad teachers.
Ofcourse they got selected on their research. You just got be lucky that he's good at public speaking or not. Word gets around fast among students, so it's no secret who's bad at teaching and who's good. The university gets survey each semester from the students, so it's not like professors can just stand in front of the class and do a crappy job and get away with it. The university will know about it and will consider it when a better professor comes along with similar level of research. |
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| Mad for Brad |
| I never said all. I said having a phd does not make you a good teacher. Teaching is a different skillset. One that PHDs don't typically learn. The science PHDs tend to be on the bad side of the spectrum while the art PHDs tend to be better as they can communicate better. |
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| Timothy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kenny Rogers
yeah i have dudes at work without any education at all earning more than me, just because they are ing hard working and effective as hell. and takes initiative and responsibility. but it was a lucky shot they even got the interview without a degree as my work wants bachelors only, it usually is networking matters in the end. |
What do you expect? :D
If they work harder than you and are better at their work, ofcourse they'll earn more. You just can't have a degree and expect to be paid more without alot of effort :) |
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| Mad for Brad |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kenny Rogers
im too nerdy for a MBA lol - my network skillz wont cut through. i like technique and physics, not humans. |
see the master degree is not the problem. |
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| Mad for Brad |
| your inability to find work might have more to do with your social skills and not your particular degree. Both are needed for them to work. WIthout the social skills, you are lumped into that egg head category and you will only ever get those very technical jobs that don't really go anywhere and aren't really paid much. |
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