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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by aNYthing
I don't understand why does any Mac discussion has to bring out ing morons and trolls that just need to start up instead of participating in a discussion or at least adding something meaningful to it?
Contribute or off, seriously. Find a hobby, bro. |
Back on topic, the responses from M4B and Palm came as a result of you suggesting buying a mac for yourself, that 3 different people have warned against in this thread.
@mise - the the top tier macbook pro with a factory installed SSD (only way to do it without invalidating the warranty) is quite possibly the worst power to cost ratio you can buy from apple at the moment. You won't get change from probably $3000 before tax with even the smallest SSD hard drive. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mad for Brad
Of course it all depends on the industry. |
That is rather key. In the high-tech industry, work experience counts for much more than a Master's (although those without a Bachelor's degree will have trouble even getting their first job). Engineering is a toss-up, you can rise to the top without a Master's (as long as you get your P.Eng), but you'll probably get there faster with one. And then there are areas like accounting where all that really matters is which exams you've passed (in Canada that's CGA, CA, etc.)
In general what you say is probably true, but there are many, many exceptions for specific industries or professions.
How did we get to this topic, anyway? I thought the thread was about buying a computer. Not that it really matters when such a played-out topic goes O/T... |
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| aNYthing |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mad for Brad
you disagree because of one anecdote ? Yes perhaps right out of school , master students don't' make much as finding a job does take time but over the next 20 years, you will find those with the master degrees making much more. Of course it all depends on the industry.
Again that is just one personal anecdote. You can't really draw much of a conclusion from that.
Here is a personal anecdote that I think is a little more far reaching. My dad was head of the engineering department of a firm that had about 15 000 employees. He spent much of his time as the main decision maker for who got hired and who didn't with most of the jobs starting at anywhere from 50 000 to 80 000. If you didn't have a master degree, you did not have a chance at getting in any type of management position and where stuck below a certain paygrade. It just wasn't possible. And that was 10 years ago when they were not as common as they are now. He also concurs with all the books on hiring in regards that they don't really care unless it the job is extremely specific which most in the higher bracket aren't in terms of what the degree says you know. They just care about what degree and from where. Thats it. He was also a consultant for some pretty big firms in streamlining the hiring process in order to maximize talent.
It is an additional 2 years and you don't have to put it on your resume if you think it will harm your chances in getting hired. But you will find most top earners in big companies these days all have a master degree. Wasn't the same 15 years ago but now a days, it is a given.
People without higher education typically earn on a linear basis. Every year they make a little more. Those with higher education usually earn on a more exponential based curve. so it makes perfect sense that someone that started working after high school after 6 years ia making more than someone fresh out of school. But in 20 years. It will change. Again this is all averages. Some people with no education make lots of money. You can't account for all the exceptions and to make your argument based on the exception is somewhat narrow sighter. |
I'm curious about the bs you're talking about.. I'm a college drop out. Why? Because it was a waste. Ethnic Studies? PoliSci? American History? How the does it help me in my systems engineering and architecture field of work?
Yet, those were part of my curriculum that I needed to pass to graduate. I essentially was forced to pay for that was useless for my development and profession. Its a ing scam.
I have $0 in college loans, make well over what most of my peers, doing architecture level work with little more than 1 year of college education... that taught me absolute NOTHING.
I was making $40k less than 8 month after dropping out of shool, teaching college grads, how to create a bootable floppy. :rolleyes:.
At 24 I was making $110K, short 3 years after I started in the field, not to mention an additional 40K for teaching in computer school... I realize I'm an exception in no small part to my bs skillz... but I know my and I can not only sell it but back it up.
I have no respect for college, dishonest elitist, pompous scumbags
College degree? Thanks, I'd rather take that bottle of snake oil instead. |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by aNYthing
I'm curious about the bs you're talking about.. I'm a college drop out. Why? Because it was a waste. Ethnic Studies? PoliSci? American History? How the does it help me in my systems engineering and architecture field of work?
Yet, those were part of my curriculum that I needed to pass to graduate. I essentially was forced to pay for that was useless for my development and profession. Its a ing scam.
I have $0 in college loans, make well over what most of my peers, doing architecture level work with little more than 1 year of college education... that taught me absolute NOTHING.
I was making $40k less than 8 month after dropping out of shool, teaching college grads, how to create a bootable floppy. :rolleyes:.
At 24 I was making $110K, short 3 years after I started in the field, not to mention an additional 40K for teaching in computer school... I realize I'm an exception in no small part to my bs skillz... but I know my and I can not only sell it but back it up.
I have no respect for college, dishonest elitist, pompous scumbags
College degree? Thanks, I'd rather take that bottle of snake oil instead. |
Lets not do this here. I'm of similar situation as you and I'm also not a degree holder (but some advanced diploma/certification courses etc) but you've got to be honest and say some people and some fields it will help, others it would be better if they never went and just learnt by working in their chosen field.
You're never going to be a rich and successful lawyer without a great law degree, but I know plenty of people who have made millions in other disclipines without so much as finishing school, let alone a degree.
My point is that it's a completely bull or equally valid argument, which ever way you look at it.
My best buddy is finishing his PHD at RAND, and will walk straight in to a $150,000 job (starting wage) without even having to submit his resume.
I know other people with PHD's who can't even get a job flipping burgers because they don't have basic interaction or work skills.
Basically, there's no right answer so stop ing arguing about it. |
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| aNYthing |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
Lets not do this here. I'm of similar situation as you and I'm also not a degree holder (but some advanced diploma/certification courses etc) but you've got to be honest and say some people and some fields it will help, others it would be better if they never went and just learnt by working in their chosen field.
You're never going to be a rich and successful lawyer without a great law degree, but I know plenty of people who have made millions in other disclipines without so much as finishing school, let alone a degree.
My point is that it's a completely bull or equally valid argument, which ever way you look at it.
My best buddy is finishing his PHD at RAND, and will walk straight in to a $150,000 job (starting wage) without even having to submit his resume.
I know other people with PHD's who can't even get a job flipping burgers because they don't have basic interaction or work skills.
Basically, there's no right answer so stop ing arguing about it. |
somewhat agree. *shrug* |
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| Mad for Brad |
Well I loved school. 6 years of free time to work on music. No debt either. I also met lots of people and made quite a few connections. I was also opened to alot of things I would not of been subjected to had I not gone. There were some down sides but you just need to make the best of it. I can understand Americans not wanting to spend 100 000 for something they can learn in a library but I was always on a full scholarship so I never had to worry about that.
Again people seem to think because they make lots of money and did not go to college , nobody needs to go to college. You are rather lucky and you are the exception. I don't see why you would be adverse to learning even if it has nothing to do with your career, Broaden your mind so that people won't think you are completely boring at dinner parties.
I don't make as much as you but I work in a field where my expertise is used and it feels good knowing that very few people can do what I do. I suppose I also just started so lets see in 10 years. I also get invited to great parties with interesting people, drink for free and enjoy certain perks a job in computer engineering wouldn't provide. I would say the ability just to talk with interesting people is probably worth more than 10 k. Interesting smart witty people are extremely hard to come by and they tend to have something to do with music/film/tv/arts
I still learn as much as I can about different topics even after school. I have a quench for knowledge outside my area of expertise and I try to fill my brain as much as I can. |
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| Timothy |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
Back on topic, the responses from M4B and Palm came as a result of you suggesting buying a mac for yourself, that 3 different people have warned against in this thread.
@mise - the the top tier macbook pro with a factory installed SSD (only way to do it without invalidating the warranty) is quite possibly the worst power to cost ratio you can buy from apple at the moment. You won't get change from probably $3000 before tax with even the smallest SSD hard drive. |
HDD/SSD and Ram are user replacable for the Macbook Pro. You don't loose your warranty when you do this, unless your break the Macbook Pro while installing it. ( Apple won't give warranty on the Ram and SSD ofcourse )
Don't buy SSD from Apple for the Macbook pro, it's overpriced and underperforms. Buy OCZ or OWC SSD. And 8gb is only $100 at the moment while Apple charges alot for it, so also don't buy it from Apple. |
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| Kenny Rogers |
| 8GB wont even be enough for the OS (or are you talking about RAM?). |
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| Timothy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kenny Rogers
8GB wont even be enough for the OS (or are you talking about RAM?). |
Yes, I'm talking about Ram. :D |
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| Kenny Rogers |
| lol ok haha. thought we where talking about ssds lol |
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| DJ RANN |
For a 13" screen. Good luck with producing full time on that. It still won't be as powerful as an imac that costs several hundred less.
| quote: | Originally posted by Timothy
HDD/SSD and Ram are user replacable for the Macbook Pro. You don't loose your warranty when you do this, unless your break the Macbook Pro while installing it. ( Apple won't give warranty on the Ram and SSD ofcourse )
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While that's true, if you do have an issue and sent it back to them and they find even the slightest reason to say the SSD caused the problem, you're screwed. It's not a big issue but it basically means you have to re-install the original hard drive before sending it back.
The other problem with that is, you can't order a MBP without a drive in it, so if you want to save the money that apple skank you on for their overpriced SSD's, you've then got a useless internal HD sitting there which was part of your ticket price of the MBP.
| quote: | Originally posted by Timothy
Don't buy SSD from Apple for the Macbook pro, it's overpriced and underperforms. Buy OCZ or OWC SSD. And 8gb is only $100 at the moment while Apple charges alot for it, so also don't buy it from Apple.
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Totally agree. The SSD's are a complete knock from Apple. That's one area on the imac you get completely screwed because the moment you open it, you're warranty is gone.... |
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