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| Mise |
| quote: | Originally posted by aNYthing
I only spent 1/2 a day with MBP... and I hate to say it but... I'm really digging it! It's a bit frustrating at times to not know how to do some things I'm used to doing... but I'm sure it will just take time and I'll know my way around this thing.
It's very slick and I like it A LOT!
I hate myself for liking it though and being a professional IT (windows admin) for many years it's quite counter-intuitive to enjoy the simplicity so much.
Microsoft SHOULD be afraid... Like it or not - there's a lot to be said about ease of use. Especially when you DON'T WANT TO around - you just want to be a user.
Bottom line - HIGHLY RECOMMENDED... YMMV, though. |
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| Eric J |
| quote: | Originally posted by aNYthing
Microsoft SHOULD be afraid... Like it or not - there's a lot to be said about ease of use. Especially when you DON'T WANT TO around - you just want to be a user.
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I'm an IT Professional myself, and 2 years ago, I would have wholeheartedly agreed with you. I know exactly the feeling you are having right now. I got my MBP in late 2008, after having my Mac Pro Tower for a while. OS X is a fantastic OS and does a great job of getting out of your way.
However, Windows 7 has upped the ante in the operating system game. It was easy to dismiss Vista, because it was error-prone and rushed to market, but Windows 7 is the real deal. Polished, fast, smart, and well thought out. They stole a lot of ideas from OS X and incorporated them nicely in the typical Windows experience. Windows 7 is everything that Vista was promised to be but never delivered.
Its a typical evolution of OS anyway, the same thing happened when we transitioned from Windows NT 4.0 to Windows 2000. Windows 2000 had a lot of cool new features, but they were unpolished and clunky. It took Windows XP to bring all that innovation to its rightful conclusion. That's just typical in any large software development project. The first version is often big on ideas, but short on execution.
(Actually, the same thing happened even earlier with NT 3.5, but most of you probably don't remember that far back.)
After using Windows 7 the past 6 months, I have to say, I am not quite as excited about OS X as I once was. Apple is going to have to raise the bar a little further with the next release of OS X to get me excited again. Still, I like the idea that OS X can be best used as my OS of choice for "play", but I can still get a fantastic user experience with Windows 7 for "work".
I don't think Microsoft has anything to worry about, they stepped up and met the challenge and now the ball is in Apple's court. There are a lot of things about OS X that lag years behind Windows, particularly in the enterprise environment. Ever tried to manage a couple of stray OS X workstations in an Active Directory environment? Not fun. That being said that was never the intention of Apple with OS X. I do think they are going to have to address those issues sooner rather than later though.
Personally, I think it'll be a little while until we see another major OS innovation. Both platforms are really stable and polished right now, so I don't see the need to make any more major changes for the foreseeable future. |
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| Mise |
well maybe you are right about W7, I only get to know XP. Its true between win 3.0 and 95, the step was huge and then 2000 again,,,
Windows leads by far the OS market and are in time to ensure their customers.. |
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| aNYthing |
| quote: | Originally posted by Eric J
I'm an IT Professional myself, and 2 years ago, I would have wholeheartedly agreed with you. I know exactly the feeling you are having right now. I got my MBP in late 2008, after having my Mac Pro Tower for a while. OS X is a fantastic OS and does a great job of getting out of your way.
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Precisely the reason why I got it.
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However, Windows 7 has upped the ante in the operating system game. It was easy to dismiss Vista, because it was error-prone and rushed to market, but Windows 7 is the real deal. Polished, fast, smart, and well thought out. They stole a lot of ideas from OS X and incorporated them nicely in the typical Windows experience. Windows 7 is everything that Vista was promised to be but never delivered.
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Microsoft stole from Mac, Mac "was inspired" by some Microsoft items and both were quite humbled by Xerox. Let's quit this who stole from who stalemate.
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(Actually, the same thing happened even earlier with NT 3.5, but most of you probably don't remember that far back.)
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Started with DOS 2.0... Got my MCSE on NT 3.51, one of first 3,000 MCSEs. My first "real computer" - 386 with 8MB of RAM.
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After using Windows 7 the past 6 months, I have to say, I am not quite as excited about OS X as I once was. Apple is going to have to raise the bar a little further with the next release of OS X to get me excited again. Still, I like the idea that OS X can be best used as my OS of choice for "play", but I can still get a fantastic user experience with Windows 7 for "work".
I don't think Microsoft has anything to worry about, they stepped up and met the challenge and now the ball is in Apple's court. There are a lot of things about OS X that lag years behind Windows, particularly in the enterprise environment. Ever tried to manage a couple of stray OS X workstations in an Active Directory environment? Not fun. That being said that was never the intention of Apple with OS X. I do think they are going to have to address those issues sooner rather than later though.
Personally, I think it'll be a little while until we see another major OS innovation. Both platforms are really stable and polished right now, so I don't see the need to make any more major changes for the foreseeable future. |
I use both, or actually number of MS OSs - XP, Win7, 2k8, 2k3, etc. That's why when i come home, I want an appliance-like experience with my system.
Think of it this way - would you rather come home and throw a frozen diner into a microwave or would you rather prepare and cook a meal from scratch? Either one has it's advantages and disadvantages. ON most nights, I'd forgo the microwave... but on some days - it's the only thing I want. |
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| Eric J |
| quote: | Originally posted by aNYthing
Microsoft stole from Mac, Mac "was inspired" by some Microsoft items and both were quite humbled by Xerox. Let's quit this who stole from who stalemate.
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Right, I wasn't making any judgments on who stole what from who, just stating the fact. Doesn't really matter to me as long as my user experience is improved as a result.
| quote: | Originally posted by aNYthing
I use both, or actually number of MS OSs - XP, Win7, 2k8, 2k3, etc. That's why when i come home, I want an appliance-like experience with my system.
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Thats exactly the experience that I have with Mac OS X. Its does it's job without much hassle.
| quote: | Originally posted by aNYthing
Think of it this way - would you rather come home and throw a frozen diner into a microwave or would you rather prepare and cook a meal from scratch? Either one has it's advantages and disadvantages. ON most nights, I'd forgo the microwave... but on some days - it's the only thing I want. |
I'm not sure how you were reading my post, but it wasn't an attempt to convert you to my way of thinking. I really like OS X, especially when I first got it. I liked it so much on my Mac Pro tower, that I went out a couple of months later and bought a MacBook Pro just so I could run OS X for my menial computing tasks. It's great, I love it. I have a picture of a Mac Pro tower as my avatar, so I'm clearly a fan of the OS X platform.
I'm not really even making any judgments on which OS is better. I believe in using the right tool for the right job.
I'm not really even disagreeing with what you wrote, other than thinking that MS needs to be worried. I'm just explaining my experience with the different operating system platforms, both as an IT Professional as well as a studio musician. |
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| aNYthing |
| quote: | Originally posted by Eric J
Right, I wasn't making any judgments on who stole what from who, just stating the fact. Doesn't really matter to me as long as my user experience is improved as a result.
Thats exactly the experience that I have with Mac OS X. Its does it's job without much hassle.
I'm not sure how you were reading my post, but it wasn't an attempt to convert you to my way of thinking. I really like OS X, especially when I first got it. I liked it so much on my Mac Pro tower, that I went out a couple of months later and bought a MacBook Pro just so I could run OS X for my menial computing tasks. It's great, I love it. I have a picture of a Mac Pro tower as my avatar, so I'm clearly a fan of the OS X platform.
I'm not really even making any judgments on which OS is better. I believe in using the right tool for the right job.
I'm not really even disagreeing with what you wrote, other than thinking that MS needs to be worried. I'm just explaining my experience with the different operating system platforms, both as an IT Professional as well as a studio musician. |
This (lack of) argument is going nowhere! Quit agreeing with me, damnit!!! :whip:
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I'm actually countemplating buying a used MacPro tower as well... LOL! |
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| Eric J |
| quote: | Originally posted by aNYthing
I'm actually countemplating buying a used MacPro tower as well... LOL! |
Definitely get it man, you'll love it. The build quality is superb, and I think you'll appreciate the elegance of the chassis design. Nothings cooler than being able to bootcamp Windows on it. I just added a third physical drive, installed bootcamp & Windows, and voila, now my Mac Pro tower becomes a great Studio Workstation and the fastest Windows workstation I have ever used. |
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| aNYthing |
| quote: | Originally posted by Eric J
Definitely get it man, you'll love it. The build quality is superb, and I think you'll appreciate the elegance of the chassis design. Nothings cooler than being able to bootcamp Windows on it. I just added a third physical drive, installed bootcamp & Windows, and voila, now my Mac Pro tower becomes a great Studio Workstation and the fastest Windows workstation I have ever used. |
I'll wait to see what comes down the road - possibly when next gen of Mac Pros is released, they'll have decent sales on the last gens. As I mentioned earlier, bunch of folks on Gearsluts were bragging how they got brand new last gen systems for something as crazy as $800 - $900 off.
Of course it would have been nice if Apple still had ADC program - as that discount is crazy good, 20% off. But they killed it earlier this year :whip: |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by aNYthing
I'll wait to see what comes down the road - possibly when next gen of Mac Pros is released, they'll have decent sales on the last gens. As I mentioned earlier, bunch of folks on Gearsluts were bragging how they got brand new last gen systems for something as crazy as $800 - $900 off.
Of course it would have been nice if Apple still had ADC program - as that discount is crazy good, 20% off. But they killed it earlier this year :whip: |
Well the situation with the new generation could go either way:
in 2011 Apple is *meant* to be rolling out lightpeak, new intel processors and far cheaper and faster SSD's. That basically means the new generation have a HUGE performance bump.
So the older mac pro's will be certainly be cheaper, but the performance at least in relative terms will be quite a bit below (if they get it right that is).
It's just something to bear in mind - it's not really too much of an issue as the existing macpro's are very powerful anyway. |
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| Mad for Brad |
| I don't really see computers needing to be that better. EVen in the sample world, libraries have peaked in size and they will be going for more physical modelling ala wivi. The effects are as good as they need to be and I honestly don't see computers as a limitation anymore. The ram issue was solved and now the companies just need to update the plugins to 64 bit and there really won't be much need for anything else for pretty much 90% of the people making music. |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mad for Brad
I don't really see computers needing to be that better. EVen in the sample world, libraries have peaked in size and they will be going for more physical modelling ala wivi. The effects are as good as they need to be and I honestly don't see computers as a limitation anymore. The ram issue was solved and now the companies just need to update the plugins to 64 bit and there really won't be much need for anything else for pretty much 90% of the people making music. |
That's partially true but as processing power increases, designers and programmers come up with more ways to use that available power. The add more things to take advantage of the available overhead and it also lets them bee free to to program without constraints.
The other big thing it will allow is the move away from DSP based systems, to just using the host computer - it's no mistake that Digidesign allowed protools to go native, partly because they realised core/accel cards sales were saturated and dropping off, but also because the power they offered in those cards was rapidly becoming a reality in host computers, hence the bottom was falling out of the market for them.
I think the days of proprietary DSP and software combos are numbered with the leap in processing power we are about to see - I've never liked it anyway - and I think sometimes it was just for copy protection. |
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| Fledz |
| Forget processing power, it's the developers who need to get their act together and start coding their software properly for new generation processors. You won't see much extreme processor movement in the near future because the current technology isn't based on power any more, it's based on efficiency. A total different, and in my opinion better, kettle of fish. |
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