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Riots and Anti-Government Protests in Egypt (pg. 3)
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by jester
They wouldn't use it. Israel would stick to regular missiles to take out military targets. |
Knowing Israel's tactics from the past wars I can assure you that they will not just be going after the "military targets". They would target hospitals and schools and will just say that those were terrorists hideouts.
| quote: | | There is no use to use a nuclear weapon, other than killing off 10s of thousands, if not 100s of thousands. It would create more problems and more people will become radicals. |
While I would really hope that this is the case something tells me that the zionist regime would actually cross the line to save their land from the Arabs taking it back. |
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| jester |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
Knowing Israel's tactics from the past wars I can assure you that they will not just be going after the "military targets". They would target hospitals and schools and will just say that those were terrorists hideouts.
While I would really hope that this is the case something tells me that the zionist regime would actually cross the line to save their land from the Arabs taking it back. |
Who knows what the world would be like right now, if WW2 didn't happen or if Israel's arab neighbours didn't go to war with it back in 1948.
Only people we can blame, is ourselves for these problems.
"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind." - Mahatma Gandhi
Back to the problem at hand... Egypt, Tunisia and other countries in turmoil. |
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| Abercrombie |
| quote: | Originally posted by jester
Who knows what the world would be like right now, if WW2 didn't happen or if Israel's arab neighbours didn't go to war with it back in 1948.
Only people we can blame, is ourselves for these problems. |
Yup |
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| Abercrombie |
| quote: | Originally posted by jester
Who is next on the list? Lebanon, Syria, Saudi Arabia?
One thing, how are things in Algeria, Morocco and Libya? |
Nuttin much in Algeria, though the government is going through a shakeup in hopes to reduce the chance of any protests.
In other news Canada is sending terrorist Mohamed Harkat back to Algeria, but still stuck in red tape. |
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| UXC |
| quote: | Originally posted by jester
Who knows what the world would be like right now, if WW2 didn't happen or if Israel's arab neighbours didn't go to war with it back in 1948.
Only people we can blame, is ourselves for these problems.
"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind." - Mahatma Gandhi
Back to the problem at hand... Egypt, Tunisia and other countries in turmoil. |
What you missed was the wars and events that lead to that point, and then you'd be missing everything before that and so on and so on. Don't even think of pointing a finger if your going for that argument, right in the middle of the argument ;) |
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| Stilez |
| Mubarak just asked for the Government of Egypt to resign & step down, and to have a new one in place in the next few days. |
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| jad |
| quote: | Originally posted by Stilez
Mubarak just asked for the Government of Egypt to resign & step down, and to have a new one in place in the next few days. |
It'll be interesting to see how these events unfold. At this point, it seems inevitble that the Muslim Brotherhood will end up filling the power vacuum left behind by the dismantling of the National Democratic Party. They are the largest opposition party.
Also, the Egyptian military branch is not supportive of Gamal Mubarak's succession of power. This entwined with the fact that the Egyptian military is strongly backed by Washington further decreases any chance of a Mubarak maintaining power in the future. They've received $50 billion in aid since 1975, and the current annual figure is around $1.3 billion.
What I'm trying to get to is.. is there any underlying International support for the Muslim Brotherhood to take power in the future? Would be interesting to hear some of your opinions on this matter. They do promise a truly democratic environment for Egyptians, which coincides with both local and international interests.
There's also El Baradei, a Nobel Peace laureate who's percieved to be unspoilt by corrupt Egyptian politics. He's currently seen as a possible candidate for president. However, he is not elegible to run for power, due to Constitutional limitations on independents running for presidency. He is also currently under house arrest, yet he does have links to certain movements that are involved in the protests; including the some of youth movements.
Edit: for those who are interested >> Hundreds of Canadians set to rally in support of Egyptian uprising
I find that talking to people directly affected by these events would give you a deeper insight into the issues at hand. |
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| Abercrombie |
| First Hezbollah taking over Lebanon, then Muslim Brotherhood taking over Egypt... this is not going to end well. |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by Abercrombie
First Hezbollah taking over Lebanon, then Muslim Brotherhood taking over Egypt... this is not going to end well. |
Sure as hell not what the U.S. had in mind that is for sure. Perhaps now they will learn their lesson not to mess in other countries politics? I doubt it.. |
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| Endlesswave |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
Sure as hell what the U.S. had in mind that is for sure. Perhaps now they will learn their lesson not to mess in other countries politics? I doubt it.. |
You think they would've been better off? Who knows, anything in extremes is a BAD idea. Stop blaming the US for all the worlds problems... :P I'd rather have how things were there than craziness and extremists running the country. |
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| jester |
| quote: | Hopeful that the protests sweeping Arab lands may create an opening for hard-line Islamic forces, conservatives in Iran are taking deep satisfaction in the events in Tunisia, Egypt and Yemen, where secular leaders have faced large-scale uprisings.
While the government of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad confronted its own popular uprising two years ago — and successfully suppressed it — conservatives in Iran said they saw little similarity between those events and the Arab revolts, and instead likened the recent upheavals to Iran’s own 1979 Islamic revolution.
“In my opinion, the Islamic Republic of Iran should see these events without exception in a positive light,” said Mohammad-Javad Larijani, secretary general of the Iranian High Council for Human Rights and one of the most outspoken figures among Iran’s traditional conservatives.
He made it clear that he hoped that the “anti-Islamic” government of Zine el-Abidine Ben Ali, who was ousted in Tunisia, would be replaced by a “people’s government,” meaning one in which conservative Islamic forces would gain the upper hand, as they did when Iranian people overthrew Shah Mohammed Reza Pahlavi, establishing a quasi-theocracy.
On the other side are the United States and France, he said, who are “doing everything they can to ride the wave and prevent the people from establishing the regime that they desire.”
“I am more optimistic about Egypt,” Mr. Larijani said in comments published Friday on the Web site Khabar Online, which is closely linked to his brother, Ali Larijani, the Parliament speaker.
“There, Muslims are more active in political agitation and, God willing, they will establish the regime that they want,” Mohammad-Javad Larijani said.
Some here have even echoed the pan-Islamic rhetoric of the founder of the Islamic Republic, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini.
“Today, as a result of the gifts of the Islamic revolution in Iran, freedom-loving Islamic peoples such as the peoples of Tunisia, Egypt and nearby Arab countries are standing up to their oppressive governments,” said a leading hard-line cleric, Ayatollah Mohammad-Taghi Mesbah-Yazdi, who is believed to have influence with President Ahmadinejad.
In comments published Friday on the Web site of the semiofficial news agency ISNA, Ayatollah Mesbah-Yazdi, who favors a political system in which elections merely endorse “divinely chosen” clerical leaders, congratulated the people of Tunisia and Egypt, stating that they had acted “based on the principles” of Iran’s Islamic revolution.
Meanwhile, the leaders of Iran’s “green” opposition movement, which led large street protests here two years ago after a disputed election, have so far issued no statement on the events in Tunisia, Egypt and Yemen.
While foreign commentators have tried to draw comparisons and assess differences between the overthrow of Mr. Ben Ali’s government in Tunisia, many here have found such comparisons strained and unconvincing.
“No one can compare Arab and Iranian society with each other,” said a former reformist journalist who spoke on the condition of anonymity to avoid drawing the attention of the security services. |
(Courtesy of The New York Times) |
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