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Royals are welcome but not in good old Quebec (pg. 2)
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by PivotTechno
A recent photo of ChemEnhanced, VDub and Jayx1, discussing the important matters of the day:
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| GGM |
1 more thing, for those thinking Canada's multiculturalism is a "new" phenomenon. We were founded from four groups (Irish, Scottish, English and French) who bonded together to form Canada instead of inevitably being eaten up by the States below us. At the time those groups violently hated each other, but much less so then the States. Thus the bond was one which allowed them to keep their heritage, traditions, customs etc. instead of them being assimilated in a war to the South.
Thats how we were FOUNDED. The only new thing here is the countries the people are coming from but not multiculturalism itself.
So Quebec has always been and always will be French. They've never wanted the Queen there and right now there's probably an all time low of anti-monarchist sentiment in Quebec (and steadily declining as that article stated). So how is it wrong for one activist group to non-violently protest their displeasure of monarchy visits?
And as far as holding on to traditions which no longer make sense, look at Saudi Arabia. They're the pros at doing that and are living 200-300 years behind modern society as a result. I'm all for traditions but I'm sorry when it doesn't make rational sense anymore, out with the old and in with the new. That's called progress... |
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| FunkyCrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
you are missing the point. Our traditions are founded in british roots as a nation. CANADA has its roots in britain. We shouldnt throw that away because suddenly we have to accommodate everyone else who comes here. In a country where we capitulate to every other culture's demands, i would hope that our traditions would also be respected.
England is why we have our political system, legal system and why we speak english! Should we do away with those too?
As for the french.. they lost the war. We let them keep their culture even in victory unlike how the americans dealt with louisiana. Quebec should be greatful to be honest. |
yay this is the Jay I like
I agree 100% about traditions - I don't understand why it would be bad to have the Royals visit us.. traditions ARE important.. |
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| PivotTechno |
Greetings...we are an impotent relic of a bygone era.
| quote: | | I support tradition. The monarchy is tradition. It may not be to some people's liking, but its certainly better than the multicultural falsity thats employed on us these days which certainly does a lot less for our national identity than having a queen in england. |
See, you're doing just fine on this for the first two sentences, then you go and it up by injecting a vantage so far removed from your initial perspective on the matter that it makes you sound like an 80 year-old curmudgeon who still wishes he could help the gub'ment in their hunt for the Red Menace.
It is possible to have some semblance of national identity while being supportive of the myriad cultures that make up this country, the diversity of which are the envy of plenty of other major centres in the world. Like it or not, new traditions eventually supplant old ones. Learn to evolve. |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by PivotTechno
Like it or not, new traditions eventually supplant old ones. Learn to evolve. |
That may be very true but I'm tired of hearing how we must continually adopt other cultures instead of them adopting our culture. Maybe it should be up to them to learn the new traditions of their new country instead of us tweaking things to make them happy. |
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| Zyklon_Jay |
| having the queen on our money is good for the economy, because it makes frogs like me spend like crazy just so i don't have to see her cunt face. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by GGM
Read up on that war buddy... Before it, the French were spread out all over eastern Canada and their population in comparison to Brits was quite substantial (not the same as your Louisiana reference). The British pretty much told everyone "goto Quebec or get killed" and then did the definition of a genocide on those who didn't go. It wouldn't have been possible for Britain to deport all of them and at the same time they were still very needed so they were given Quebec (a very small piece of land given their previous area and their population).
It's also quite likely if they weren't there we would've also lost to the States on several occasions. Now tell me would you rather have Quebec part of Canada, or the whole damn thing be called the United States... |
thats a nice spin on reality. The French had a lot of territory icluding acadia and quebec. from The US BOUGHT Louisiana (which was everything from New Orleans to Nebraska btw) in the Louisiana purchase. Nepoleon sold this land because he wanted to create a strong US rival to the british. They then demanded that the french in that territory speak english. In Canada the british took over acadia through the terms of the utrecht treaty. They also conquered new france in the 7 years war. The tragedy that took place in Acadia was that british americans expelled alot of acadians to louisiana who later became assimilated under the americans.
So again as i said, canada could have come down hard on quebec and forced quebeckers to abandon their culture and language as the americans did in the midwest. But we didnt. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by GGM
1 more thing, for those thinking Canada's multiculturalism is a "new" phenomenon. We were founded from four groups (Irish, Scottish, English and French) who bonded together to form Canada instead of inevitably being eaten up by the States below us. At the time those groups violently hated each other, but much less so then the States. Thus the bond was one which allowed them to keep their heritage, traditions, customs etc. instead of them being assimilated in a war to the South.
Thats how we were FOUNDED. The only new thing here is the countries the people are coming from but not multiculturalism itself.
So Quebec has always been and always will be French. They've never wanted the Queen there and right now there's probably an all time low of anti-monarchist sentiment in Quebec (and steadily declining as that article stated). So how is it wrong for one activist group to non-violently protest their displeasure of monarchy visits?
And as far as holding on to traditions which no longer make sense, look at Saudi Arabia. They're the pros at doing that and are living 200-300 years behind modern society as a result. I'm all for traditions but I'm sorry when it doesn't make rational sense anymore, out with the old and in with the new. That's called progress... |
Irish, English and Scots were all part of great britain and her territories at the time. Hardly multicultural. And the US was founded by the same people except that a group of them decided they wanted independence. Quebec is french by virtue of the leniency given to them by the british after conquest. Quebeckers should never lose sight of that fact.
Comparing a powerless figurehead to a dictatorship and sharia law is apples and oranges. One is a cultural platitude, the other is political. If the queen had the same powers as she would have had before magna carta, id agree with you.
Progress = Understanding and building on the foundations of society for the betterment of all. NOT throwing away tradition and history because certain segments of society are ingrateful for what that history has given them.
I thank god we are british origin and magna carter oriented. Look at the mess that the countries founded by spain and france are in even today.
PS im glad that quebec is french and part of canada. I just wish that a lot of them would stop whining and be greateful that they were under british rule and didnt end up like haiti. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by PivotTechno
Greetings...we are an impotent relic of a bygone era.
See, you're doing just fine on this for the first two sentences, then you go and it up by injecting a vantage so far removed from your initial perspective on the matter that it makes you sound like an 80 year-old curmudgeon who still wishes he could help the gub'ment in their hunt for the Red Menace.
It is possible to have some semblance of national identity while being supportive of the myriad cultures that make up this country, the diversity of which are the envy of plenty of other major centres in the world. Like it or not, new traditions eventually supplant old ones. Learn to evolve. |
you are my equivalent to Nick T (beetlejuice beetlejuice beetlejuice) LOL
How can the ghettoization of seperate communities form a canadian identity? I have never understood this notion. I could see if it was perhaps something like a chinese style poutine dish or indian maple syrup baked goods that we became famous for. But so far all i see are islands of societies trying desperately to hold onto their own ideas and forcing everyone else to abandon theirs. |
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| Zyklon_Jay |
"Quebeckers should never lose sight of that fact"
what if we don't care? |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zyklon_Jay
"Quebeckers should never lose sight of that fact"
what if we don't care? |
Then that would be what justifies the rest of the country in calling your province a bunch of spoiled crybabies |
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| Jayx1 |
| sad part is i love quebec and so many people there are amazing. Its too bad there is a large segment that has these anti canadian views. |
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