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Royals are welcome but not in good old Quebec (pg. 3)
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| VDub |
| quote: | Originally posted by PivotTechno
A recent photo of ChemEnhanced, VDub and Jayx1, discussing the important matters of the day:
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| GGM |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
Irish, English and Scots were all part of great britain and her territories at the time. Hardly multicultural. And the US was founded by the same people except that a group of them decided they wanted independence. Quebec is french by virtue of the leniency given to them by the british after conquest. Quebeckers should never lose sight of that fact. |
My point is the 4 founding groups all hated each other and though it might not seem it to you, their cultures at the time were different from each other. Whether they were under the same monarchy (by force, nonetheless) is irrelevant. They put differences aside and bonded together in order to fight the States. This in essence protected their multiculturalism because they knew that if they lost they'd all be denied that and forced to be American as the situation was in Louisiana as you said.
Canada was founded on multiculturalism was my point and back then the other groups here had no issues letting the French do what they want as long as it was in Quebec. This is well after they lost to the British. I guarantee you they did not want British monarchy visiting their province then, and obviously there are still some groups that do not want them visiting their province now. I really, really and really can not understand how people say that's bad. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and these people are expressing theirs.
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
Progress = Understanding and building on the foundations of society for the betterment of all. NOT throwing away tradition and history because certain segments of society are ingrateful for what that history has given them. |
I totally agree with you on progress, but this group isn't saying don't visit Canada, they're just saying don't visit Quebec. Tradition for them has nothing to do with the British monarchy so they aren't throwing that away when they say this.
I'm not from Quebec, don't speak French, and as many others I would rather monarchy not visit here either. To me things like the governor general and ties still remaining to Britain are ridiculous. Trudeau did a huge piece by severing many of these ties but we need another one of him to finish the job 100%. If that was said and done and monarchy wanted to visit Canada (with their money, not our taxes) then I'd be all for it. But until those ties are completely cut in my opinion these visits are a step away from progress. I really don't see why on this day any other country outside of Canada should have a legitimate power in our political system and it's an embarrassment that it's the current case. |
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| yankeeBaby |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
That may be very true but I'm tired of hearing how we must continually adopt other cultures instead of them adopting our culture. Maybe it should be up to them to learn the new traditions of their new country instead of us tweaking things to make them happy. |
These comments are interesting considering there were people in Canada and the US lands before a -ton of white dudes came over ;) ;) |
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| Zyklon_Jay |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
Then that would be what justifies the rest of the country in calling your province a bunch of spoiled crybabies |
just like you will cry when we leave your country:D Once again, Quebecers don't generally give a what you guys think of them, so you can feel justified....everyone wins. |
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| Special K |
the monarchy, the queen and her crown.
If they want to come visit that's fine (i'm glad they are not coming to Toronto btw), they can pay for that out of their own pocketbooks. Why we as taxpayers should be footing the bill for that is completely beyond me. And you would think that after centuries of plundering the world, they would have the funds to pay for these trips of excess and over-indulgence by themselves.
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by yankeeBaby
These comments are interesting considering there were people in Canada and the US lands before a -ton of white dudes came over ;) ;) |
and we have left them nice pieces of land where they can do all the cultural pow wowing they want |
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| malek |
I love how Jayx leaves out all the good parts... custom tailored bull.
1-Acadia was won over, yes, then the English committed ethnic cleansing by shipping abroad French to all over other English colonies worldwide dispersing them, separating families, kids from parents, so they get diluted with the masses.
2-The English monarchy bended over to the Canadiens (how the french were called back then) AFTER the conquest to be of weight against the uprising in the US. Don't ever forget that. You make it sound like the English did a favor to the Canadiens by letting them keep their language and religion, but its far from being true, it was just a strategy to avoid being swept by the American revolution.
3- the Queen and the colonialism she represents, we want our Republic and now! |
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| malek |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
PS im glad that quebec is french and part of canada. I just wish that a lot of them would stop whining and be greateful that they were under british rule and didnt end up like haiti. |
wow really?:wtf: |
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| GGM |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
and we have left them nice pieces of land where they can do all the cultural pow wowing they want |
After doing many things like this, all the way up until 50 years ago, I don't think land does much when those levels of damage are already done.
I agree with you on the new immigrants not adopting our culture in any way, that is wrong. But the biggest cause of this is our broken and abused immigration system and policy. You have tons of people claiming refugee status and once they do that they can even further bring over more relatives. They have no desire to live in Canada other than to escape their own country. Whereas you have tons of legitimate, educated, hard working people who are eager to "be" Canadian and embrace our culture that are denied the right to stay here. If you want to direct displeasure it should towards that, nothing to do with Quebec imo... |
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| malek |
Multiculturalism is wrong and has failed all over Europe... do we need to wait another 20-30 years before we realize it?
We always aspire to Europe in the social sphere, but we look the other way on this specific subject. |
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| PivotTechno |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
But so far all i see are islands of societies trying desperately to hold onto their own ideas and forcing everyone else to abandon theirs. |
If that is all you see, then you might want to consider taking off the blinders that so limit your perspective. |
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| Abercrombie |
| Agreed, multiculturalism is a failure. |
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