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Royals are welcome but not in good old Quebec (pg. 5)
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by malek
I love how Jayx leaves out all the good parts... custom tailored bull.
1-Acadia was won over, yes, then the English committed ethnic cleansing by shipping abroad French to all over other English colonies worldwide dispersing them, separating families, kids from parents, so they get diluted with the masses.
2-The English monarchy bended over to the Canadiens (how the french were called back then) AFTER the conquest to be of weight against the uprising in the US. Don't ever forget that. You make it sound like the English did a favor to the Canadiens by letting them keep their language and religion, but its far from being true, it was just a strategy to avoid being swept by the American revolution.
3- the Queen and the colonialism she represents, we want our Republic and now! |
The french acadians that did not pledge allegiance to the victors were deported. They were also working within as enemies of the state for france. You expect the brits to allow that? Alot of the french acadians fled on their own accord and went to lousiana not unlike how the british loyalists came to canada after the american revolution. The word cajun comes from the word acadia.
The quebec act that gave french canadians the right to religion and culture actually sparked the american revolution as they joined forces in attacking us. |
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| VDub |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
There is a reason why french isnt spoken in anywhere but a few tinpot countries. I say the same about spain as well. |
Jay I'll agree on all points but this one...
You know as well as I that Spanish is still pretty widespread in the world... |
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| yankeeBaby |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
yankeebaby: dont tell me u subscribe to the "everyone who isnt an aboriginal native is an immigrant" theory.
Because population migrations happen throughout history. History is full of nations conquering nations including so called first nations.
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Not necessarily, I quoted him specifically because he voiced his lack of enthusiasm in others coming in and forcing the adaptation of their cultures, while feeling the strain in accommodating them to "make them happy" ......which is full of irony, considering many of us are here because our ancestors did exactly that. This land has always been a revolving door of various cultures, and probably will be for the foreseeable future, so I find it interesting that people might complain about such, as it somewhat denies what our beginnings were based on in the first place.
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
That may be very true but I'm tired of hearing how we must continually adopt other cultures instead of them adopting our culture. Maybe it should be up to them to learn the new traditions of their new country instead of us tweaking things to make them happy. |
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| Stilez |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
There is a reason why french isnt spoken in anywhere but a few tinpot countries. I say the same about spain as well. |
My friend, A major difference between English and Spanish colonization is that the Spanish mostly sent single men, without wives & families. They mixed with the existing population of natives, creating a new population of mestizos, unlike the British. Never forget, that part of North America is still occupied by a Spanish colony (Mexico), not to mention most of the continent of South America. Which outnumbers the combined population of Canada & the United States. |
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| The Potter |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
the irish were not founded by the brits. We were...thats the major difference. Check your history
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What are you on about? I never said the Irish were founded by the British. This country was also shaped by the Irish (as well French). You're implying that there was complete unanimity about making the monarchy part of Canadian identity. Therefore, republicanism is as much part of the traditional Canadian way of life as the monarchy.
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
LOL! ok so then lets have yet another referendum. And once most people vote to keep the queen, lets forget about this. Meanwhile in the real world, geopolitical change is almost always at the point of a gun. |
So, rather shockingly and unbelievably, you are you in fact saying that it is perfectly legitimate, in this day and age, to force a culture/traditional monarchy on others through violence and intimidation...now that is an old tradition of Britain's imperial past! Not only that, but you are saying that it is preferable to being civilised and moral by democratically voting for the head of state. Seriously, what is this 'real world' that you inhabit? I had a decidedly more reasonable and less violent suggestion for determining a part of Canada's sense of identity: the monarchy should field candidates in regular elections. If the majoity of Canadians feel that she best represents Canada on the world stage, then that is how it should be. By the way, I would like to see you try and force your culture and traditions on me through violence ;) |
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| The Potter |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
yankeebaby: dont tell me u subscribe to the "everyone who isnt an aboriginal native is an immigrant" theory.
Because population migrations happen throughout history. History is full of nations conquering nations including so called first nations.
Imagine if mexico tried to claim back northern california or china tried to claim back japan? |
Actually, you are the one who is trying to rely on a theory of 'who was here first': those who came here after the British have no right in contributing to the shaping of Canadian culture, traditions and sense of national identity - they must accept the Queen. You are the one who went down the line of old traditions. If you want to play that pointless game, it is fair to ask whose traditions were here before the British. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by VDub
Jay I'll agree on all points but this one...
You know as well as I that Spanish is still pretty widespread in the world... |
i didnt say it wasnt... but look at the colonial legacy left behind by spain. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by The Potter
Actually, you are the one who is trying to rely on a theory of 'who was here first': those who came here after the British have no right in contributing to the shaping of Canadian culture, traditions and sense of national identity - they must accept the Queen. You are the one who went down the line of old traditions. If you want to play that pointless game, it is fair to ask whose traditions were here before the British. |
But the british ultimately won wars. The french and natives did not. |
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| Zyklon_Jay |
| Jayx, do you still dress like the Quaker oats guy? |
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| Skipper |
| Does anyone actually know what their visit will cost Canada directly? |
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| The Potter |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
England is why we have our political system, legal system and why we speak english! Should we do away with those too?
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That's a logical fallacy if ever I have seen one. Once again, you're trying to use an all-or-nothing proposition. No-one is talking about the changing the language and legal system, as it works very well, and its success is one of the reasons people come here. The issue is about the particular outdated tradition of having a monarachy - moreover, one that is based on another country. We should be adopting the best traditions as part of our national identity. It is stupid to say that all British traditions should be kept, just because they are British.
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
you are missing the point. Our traditions are founded in british roots as a nation. CANADA has its roots in britain. We shouldnt throw that away because suddenly we have to accommodate everyone else who comes here. In a country where we capitulate to every other culture's demands, i would hope that our traditions would also be respected.
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No-one is forcing other Canadians to adopt their individual culture/tradition/behaviour, such as eating their traditional Italian/Mexican/Chinese/German/French food; however, you, as a Royalist, are forcing a tradition on them and all Canadians, even if a majority of them dislike the monarchy. Sorry, but your analogy does not work. In fact, to prevent others from 'capitulating' to your cultural demands, maybe you should just have your own personal Queen to bow down to!
When hockey was invented in the late 19th century, I bet there were traditionalists back then who said it was not part of the culture, so these 'progressives' should just piss off. The point is that if a culture changes at all, it evolves naturally, as the views of the people who inhabit the country change, possibly as a result of new discoveries and trends. If people were forced to behave according to older traditions a couple of hundred years ago (just because they were old and regardless of how worthy they were), we would not have ice hockey, Tim Horton’s or Mounties as part of the current national identity! ;) |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| bow down to the queen or get the out of my country |
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