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Ontarians want booze at corner store: Poll (pg. 2)
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| patpicos |
| quote: | Originally posted by Magnetonium
Alcohol is a serious issue. And especially when it comes to distribution, if you make it easily accessible then it will result in problems. How are you going to monitor it? I definitely would not want it become like in Russia, where until very recently beer wasn't even considered to be an alcoholic beverage, where alcohol is easy to find at most corner stores, and there are TENS OF thousands of deaths related to alcohol every year.
Keep liquor high quality, well priced, and very controlled. Or we will see an increase in alcohol related violence and accidents/deaths. Let's not make a problem out of it!
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and Quebec is having so much problems by selling alcohol in corner stores and selling it much cheaper than here!
Ontario 24 Case of Bud: $40+
Quebec 24 case of Bud: $26-28 |
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| Magnetonium |
| quote: | Originally posted by devnull
and Quebec is having so much problems by selling alcohol in corner stores and selling it much cheaper than here!
Ontario 24 Case of Bud: $40+
Quebec 24 case of Bud: $26-28 |
But we do raise more money in taxes from it? Hence, some benefit to the province?
Maybe its just me, but if you make it so much cheaper than you're making it more fashionable to buy alcohol.
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| Yohan |
| quote: | Originally posted by Magnetonium
But we do raise more money in taxes from it? Hence, some benefit to the province?
Maybe its just me, but if you make it so much cheaper than you're making it more fashionable to buy alcohol.
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just like drugs or cigarettes or anything bad that we allow the public to use that can be potentially harmful to you, educate people on their use, instead of banning/restricting it
other people's stupidity doesn't mean i should be restricted on what i should be allowed to do |
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| GGM |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yohan
just like drugs or cigarettes or anything bad that we allow the public to use that can be potentially harmful to you, educate people on their use, instead of banning/restricting it
other people's stupidity doesn't mean i should be restricted on what i should be allowed to do |
This is extremely true. Even more so as we approach an age where the war on drugs has proven to be a failure and the legalization or at least decriminalization of many substances is more realistic than ever. You need to educate people and give them the tools to make smart decisions regardless of availability.
In terms of the OP I'd say beer/wine at convenience/grocery stores makes sense as this has already been proven to be safe in Canada and the States. I don't exactly know how there's any debate around it when it's been implemented in areas with the same politics, demographics and culture as us. |
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| GGM |
| quote: | Originally posted by Magnetonium
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I hear you and it sounds like you've experienced the far end of the spectrum and are a bit afraid of what's going on in Russia happening over here. But you need to be a bit more realistic and less resistance to change as this is not the motherland my friend. It's apples to oranges and we aren't talking about replacing mother's milk with vodka, we're talking about making an in demand and frequently consumed product slightly less work to purchase. |
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| nifty narcotix |
| monopolies are bad, I think |
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| FunkyCrew |
I know both ways - having an alcohol isle in a regular supermarket, and having to go to LCBO/beer store
Something else I wanted to bring up - back at home (Ukraine) we have a major issue with unlicensed spirits (cognac, wine etc) being sold at your local corner stores. A few members of my family had alcohol poisoning in the past because of a purchase of a "fake" bottle of cognac (and no it wasn't a drinking binge). So could that potentially happen here as well? |
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| VDub |
| quote: | Originally posted by devnull
and Quebec is having so much problems by selling alcohol in corner stores and selling it much cheaper than here!
Ontario 24 Case of Bud: $40+
Quebec 24 case of Bud: $26-28 |
That's why they're all a bunch of lushes...
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| PivotTechno |
| quote: | Originally posted by Magnetonium
You think you're a funny guy, eh? I lost friends and a relative to alcohol, so at least for me this issue is not a joke. |
So right off the bat, you're saying that your opinion on the subject is considerably coloured by your emotions. Not the best launch point for level-headed discussion.
| quote: | Originally posted by Magnetonium
You see, when you make alcohol consumption "fashionable" and "easily accessible", then you WILL have problems! In Somalia and Aghanistan, they kill each other with guns, in places like Russia they kill each other with vodka. I lived there, I can tell you that first-hand. |
That's your opinion, but data shows otherwise. The high rate of alcoholism isn't due to the availability of alcohol, it's a product of existing social conditions. Plenty of societies have had and continue to have liberal access to intoxicants without addiction and the accompanying societal ills - the deciding factor is the amount of stress under which the populace lives.
So, the fix for booze problems in Russia isn't to ban booze - people will always find a way to ease their pain and if properly formulated and regulated spirits aren't available they'll resort to concocting considerably more dangerous bathtub versions - it's to ease the suffering of the people. |
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| LightsOut |
Nobody's suggesting hard alcohol be available at every convenience store and supermarket. I'm also not sure how easing the rules slightly will make boozing more fashionable?
I really don't see how selling wine and 6 packs at places other than the LCBO or Beer Store has any negative impact. Wine Rack does it already and its incredibly convenient. Later hours, more locations. Win-Win. |
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| GGM |
| quote: | Originally posted by LightsOut
Wine Rack does it already and its incredibly convenient. Later hours, more locations. Win-Win. |
All local Ontario products to, I believe that makes it a win-win-win. |
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| Yohan |
| quote: | Originally posted by FunkyCrew
I know both ways - having an alcohol isle in a regular supermarket, and having to go to LCBO/beer store
Something else I wanted to bring up - back at home (Ukraine) we have a major issue with unlicensed spirits (cognac, wine etc) being sold at your local corner stores. A few members of my family had alcohol poisoning in the past because of a purchase of a "fake" bottle of cognac (and no it wasn't a drinking binge). So could that potentially happen here as well? |
yeah I don't think we need to worry about crap alcohol being sold in stores in Ontario/Canada. this isn't the rodina ;) |
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