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Ontarians want booze at corner store: Poll (pg. 7)
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| VDub |
| And how many Beer Store and LCBO employees are you all willing to put out of work so that you don't have go further than 10 minutes away?? |
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| Yohan |
| quote: | Originally posted by VDub
And how many Beer Store and LCBO employees are you all willing to put out of work so that you don't have go further than 10 minutes away?? |
this is like saying i'm putting ford workers out of job if i don't buy a ford car |
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| Orko |
| quote: | Originally posted by VDub
And how many Beer Store and LCBO employees are you all willing to put out of work so that you don't have go further than 10 minutes away?? |
Yes, because we want a bunch of over priced retail works on our bill. |
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| Endlesswave |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yohan
this is like saying i'm putting ford workers out of job if i don't buy a ford car |
Not only that but vdub they're only talking of putting certain kinds of booze in the LCBO (beer for the most part) and having the rest at the LCBO, so what's wrong with that?? |
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| GGM |
Some confused minds ITT but try think of it rationally.
More unemployment
-Wrong because people will still buy their booze, but from different outlets. If there's a demand then there's a supply it just means that current Beer Store or LCBO employees would be replaced by convenience or grocery store ones that make half as much money. Seems fair as there's not much justification for these guys to be making as much as they do for doing retail work that generally pays half as much anywhere else. So cheaper employees selling the booze = lower cost of distribution = lower cost of booze.
Less tax revenue
-Wrong because they still charge the same % of taxes just the way they do on cigs. If they sell a $10 bottle of vodka with $10 in taxes right now then it just means instead of the Beer Store/LCBO forwarding $10 in tax revenue to the gov the grocery/convenience store will. At the end of the day who cares who's forwarding the taxes $10 is $10 no matter who it comes from.
Ultimately this would cut costs a lot as you won't have the Beer Store and LCBO paying for expensive rented retail space and high cost employees. This could either be passed on to us in savings or given to the government in increased tax revenue.
I personally think ditching the LCBO would be dumb though. It is a crown corporation that earns tons of cash and it's likely safer/better to keep the hard booze (most widely abused and dangerous) out of convenient channels. Have the beer wine in the convenience/grocery stores, get rid of the beer store (foreign owned anyways) and keep the LCBO for hard booze or wider selection of specialty beer/wine. It would also be nice if they did what they do with the Wine Rack places and say "ok you can sell soft booze but only local products". Reduce costs, increase convenience, increase local product sales = win win winnnning. |
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| GGM |
| quote: | Originally posted by nacarter
People complain of unfair taxation all the time. The LCBO is one of the fairest modes of gov't revenue collection avaiable because it only targets consumers of the product. Not all gov't services are revenue neutral (e.g. Education). Frankly, I like the province having control over the LCBO because it allows funding of programs that we might not otherwise afford without regressive taxation. |
You always nail it on any economics issue that comes up here and this is another one. Cig and booze tax are extremely fair as they both increase health care costs insanely. Thus tax them to hell and let the users pay for the own future medical bills not the people who choose not to use or abuse them.
Anyone who compares us to the US on this issue will have a tough time because they aren't considering the fact they have to cover their own healthcare costs. Quebec and out west are fair comparisons and they both successfully sell booze outside of government regulated monopolies. |
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| goodnet |
| quote: | Originally posted by corjay9
How far do you mo'fuggas have to drive to pick up some Beer? How many LCBOs are there in Mississauga for example?
Not being able to buy beer at the corner store doesn't make sense to me. What time does the LCBO/beer store close at? |
www.beerhunter.ca |
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| corjay9 |
^haha awesome site!
Another thing, us Quebecers can't buy liquor at our corner stores, only beer. We have our own LCBO called the SAQ. We can only get hard A at the SAQ, most of them are opened department store hours, the SAQ Express outlets close at 10pm 7 days a week. |
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| Spam |
There was a study done not long ago that showed that it's more difficult for under-agers to purchase cigarettes from convenience stores than to purchase booze from the LCBO. So saying that hard liquor is "safer" in the LCBO is a tad erroneous.
Anyway, I think it would be really cool if local companies only were allowed to sell their goods out of corner/grocery stores. Unfair to the internationals sure, but that's the point of my idea :) I love my local breweries, and giving them a leg-up on the competition is A-O-K in my books. Mill St and Old Credit stand out in my mind. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by GGM
You always nail it on any economics issue that comes up here and this is another one. Cig and booze tax are extremely fair as they both increase health care costs insanely. Thus tax them to hell and let the users pay for the own future medical bills not the people who choose not to use or abuse them.
Anyone who compares us to the US on this issue will have a tough time because they aren't considering the fact they have to cover their own healthcare costs. Quebec and out west are fair comparisons and they both successfully sell booze outside of government regulated monopolies. |
This would make sense if in fact this was a US/Canada issue. But most of the world has social medicine and most of the world has looser liquor laws. Europe being the perfect example.
The moment you use universal healthcare as an excuse to control one's behaviour is the moment you start making a case for it's demise. |
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| Zyklon_Jay |
| oh...so you are an alcoholic then? |
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| GGM |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
This would make sense if in fact this was a US/Canada issue. But most of the world has social medicine and most of the world has looser liquor laws. Europe being the perfect example.
The moment you use universal healthcare as an excuse to control one's behaviour is the moment you start making a case for it's demise. |
Not about controlling behaviour though in my opinion. It's about making people pay for their own healthcare costs where you can and in a reasonable way. You don't think we should fund everyone else's poor health choices do you? Sounds kinda socialist to me... |
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