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| srussell0018 |
| Yes. Religious people have a mental parasite. Religion is a mental disorder. Yes. |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
I actually would go so far as to equate them to zombies. They give up some measure of personal responsibility and control to something "higher." Granted its a mental condition that is actually causing them to think something else is in control of their lives or has any effect on it, but still. Its like a mental parasite. |
Because when it comes down to it, almost any form of intolerance works itself out to be a symptom relating to mental disorder; particularly when taken to extremes. Except for the bigotry exhibited by you. In any other ideology, you'd be one of the first people to bite down on it as a concrete sign of prejudice, but when you do it for the purposes of proclaiming your disdain for all things religious, suddenly this doesn't apply. Clearly, you have a monopoly on sanity.
You have this way of making completely ed up bull look almost reasonable. |
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| Lira |
| quote: | | Originally posted by Joss Weatherby _I actually would go so far as to equate them to zombies. They give up some measure of personal responsibility and control to something "higher." Granted its a mental condition that is actually causing them to think something else is in control of their lives or has any effect on it, but still. Its like a mental parasite. |
Nou, have you ever shared more than a few minutes with someone actually religious? They do not give up any measure of personal responsibility, otherwise the idea of Heaven and Hell would make no sense whatsoever. |
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| Joss Weatherby |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
Nou, have you ever shared more than a few minutes with someone actually religious? They do not give up any measure of personal responsibility, otherwise the idea of Heaven and Hell would make no sense whatsoever. |
Yes. I have.
And they do, especially catholics. Being able to repent is the best thing ever. You can be as bad as you want and still go to heaven, so they really have no qualms about it.
Also some religious people tend to take their actions with lack of responsibility because what they are doing is "part of gods plan."
Look at suicide bombers in islamic terrorist groups. They do something totally irrational because they think god wills it and they will get a reward. Its an insane justification for these people and its easy to manipulate them to do it.
Even the well educated 9/11 hijackers, some of them with years of education, professional people were able to be tricked into doing something horrible.
Devotion to religion is a mental disorder, and sadly its a socially acceptable one. |
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| srussell0018 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
Devotion to religion is a mental disorder, and sadly its a socially acceptable one. |
CALL THE APA NOU. I THINK YOU HAVE A LEGITIMATE POINT HERE AND THE DSM MUST BE AMENDED. |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
Look at suicide bombers in islamic terrorist groups. They do something totally irrational because they think god wills it and they will get a reward. Its an insane justification for these people and its easy to manipulate them to do it. |
What's funny is that I raised this earlier, in Lira's plea for religion thread. The fact that you weigh it so heavily in your case against religion, outright ignoring the other factors involved in the psychology of a suicide bomber, just speaks volumes. Go ahead, though, and keep ignoring evidence that doesn't fit in perfectly with your hypothesis.
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| quote: | Originally posted by EddieZilker
You're arguing that the rationalization is the cause. Khmer Rouge was genocidal, yet there was no god to tell them that was okay. Religion is no more a cause for evil, however, than communism is - another point made by Lira, in his OP. If you were to take away religion, tomorrow, the world would be no better off. It is a non sequitur that evil is caused by religion.
Though those who do evil may involve religion in some aspect of it, Catholicism is no more a factor in child sex abuse than is college basketball. Pedophiles are pedophiles because they are predisposed to such actions. Suicide bombers, many of whom are brainwashed from an already vulnerable psychological make-up, can still be motivated into action without a religious component. There would be some other ideology taking the place of that component that allows for people to rationalize such action. If the suffering of the bomber is great enough, an end to conscious thought may well be an ideal afterlife.
You might have a more successful plan if you were to eliminate any form of ideology, altogether. While you're at it, eliminate senses of entitlement, desire, money, lies, and any other psychological conception that interferes with attaining a world full of zen mastery; each of us finding fulfillment in our world as it is. Go all-out and eliminate human attachment in all of its forms. We can praise Ford, take our Soma, and not have to worry about getting laid or pregnant. |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
Yes. I have.
And they do, especially catholics. Being able to repent is the best thing ever. You can be as bad as you want and still go to heaven, so they really have no qualms about it. |
I was raised Catholic and, although there is a loophole in the system, it cannot be exploited like that.
| quote: | Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
Also some religious people tend to take their actions with lack of responsibility because what they are doing is "part of gods plan." |
For example? |
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| srussell0018 |
| Nou vehemently argues about something he doesn't understand. So weird. |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by srussell0018
Nou vehemently argues about something he doesn't understand. So weird. |
His understanding of it is the same concept as his straw-men arguments. They are childishly simplistic understandings of religious people, of religion, and of the motivations for people in general. While he pathologizes religious people he also seems to give clues into his own thinking. If he were religious, he might actually believe all the bat- crazy things he accuses religious people of being, were okay. In this way, he seems to be projecting a mirror image of his own motivations for doing things; that they are superficial and expeditious much like those of his delusionally religious "foes". Nou has a superficial understanding of religious people because of his own superficial attitudes and beliefs. |
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| srussell0018 |
| Bizarro Nou? :nervous: |
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| Joss Weatherby |
| quote: | Originally posted by EddieZilker
His understanding of it is the same concept as his straw-men arguments. They are childishly simplistic understandings of religious people, of religion, and of the motivations for people in general. While he pathologizes religious people he also seems to give clues into his own thinking. If he were religious, he might actually believe all the bat- crazy things he accuses religious people of being, were okay. In this way, he seems to be projecting a mirror image of his own motivations for doing things; that they are superficial and expeditious much like those of his delusionally religious "foes". Nou has a superficial understanding of religious people because of his own superficial attitudes and beliefs. |
No, I am trying to co-opt people stupid enough to believe black and white distinctions of religious people into establishing a radical view of them that might make them more prone to harass and do something to them. :p
Its like how the Nazis worked, except I am painting all religious people not just the jews. |
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| Fledz |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
I was raised Catholic and, although there is a loophole in the system, it cannot be exploited like that.
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I don't want to defend Nou in any way shape or form but he is right. In the Roman Catholic belief, all you have to do is accept God and you are forgiven. It is the ultimate cop-out.
Also Hell is a construct of how Catholics and other Christians have perceived the bible. I'm not sure it is mentioned all that much in scripture. |
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