I saw the deleted scenes and alternative ending yesterday, but I don't think that was worth the watching.
I liked the movie, but I think maybe I liked the animated Starship Troopers 4 better...
SYSTEM-J
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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
Well, maybe better than the Alien 3 theatrical cut, but the Alien 3 Director's Cut is seriously excellent.
I don't really understand this, although it seems to be common consensus. I don't think the Assembly Cut really fixes the glaring problems with Alien 3, and if anything it rather seriously exacerbates a couple of them. A bit more characterisation afforded to the various pieces of shaven-headed alien meat is nice, but ultimately of little consequence, and most of the sub-plots reinstated are pretty pointless and merely slow down a story that is too meagre to warrant the extended running time.
Acton
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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
I'm pretty sure testing would have noticed a bug in his program like "Has a predilection for poisoning co-workers for no apparent reason". You cannot accept ludicrously dangerous and stupid actions by a character just because some android tried to kill Ripley that one time.
I'm not sure if I've already stated this, or if it's been mentioned previously, but in my opinion, David was following orders when 'poisoning' Holloway. Weyland told David to 'try harder' to get results, which coming from your maker, is obviously an order.
Then just prior to the act, David subtly, kind of asks Holloway for permission to experiment on him....
"How far would you go to get what you came all this way for ... your answers ... what would you be willing to do?"
"Anything" replied Holloway.
"Excellent" replied David, with a huge smirk on his face.
I saw this as a green light for David to do what he did.
Anyway, just my thoughts.
SYSTEM-J
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Originally posted by Acton
I'm not sure if I've already stated this, or if it's been mentioned previously, but in my opinion, David was following orders when 'poisoning' Holloway. Weyland told David to 'try harder' to get results, which coming from your maker, is obviously an order.
Yes, it has already been mentioned, and I'll quote my own dismissal of this idea:
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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
This has nothing to do with Weyland's motivation. What results does he want? He wants to find out why the Engineers created mankind (even though the script totally begs the question of why anyone would think that in the first place, another major plot hole). How does putting some unknown alien slime in a guy's drink achieve that? What if it simply poisoned the guy and he keeled over and died? What the hell would it prove? If David somehow knows it's a "bio-weapon" (another begged question - nothing we see is enough to lead to this conclusion, not least because the slime would make an unbelievably ty weapon) from his research, he can just tell Weyland that. Deliberately infecting a member of the crew with it is going to severely endanger the mission, and consequently any chance of finding the answers he's looking for.
And for once in an Alien-related film, the driving force of the company is not finding potential bio-weapons (always the weakest link in any of the scripts). If Weyland is implausibly interested in that kind of thing, it only makes sense for him to conduct any such experiments in a carefully controlled environment. What happens in the film is the equivalent of stealing biological weaponry from another nation and then letting it off on the plane journey home to test whether it works. It's absolute madness.
This is what I meant earlier. Nothing in the film makes sense, and whenever someone tries to come up with an explanation it merely makes you actually think through the internal logic of the script more carefully, which makes you realise the film is even more ing stupid than it first appears.
It still winds me up that some people actually like this ing abysmal piece of .
Acton
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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
It still winds me up that some people actually like this ing abysmal piece of .
Haha, I do apologise :p
SYSTEM-J
You know what will make me forgive you? If you stop faffing around trying to defend this bucket of cinematic arse gravy and go see Dredd 3D instead.
Acton
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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
You know what will make me forgive you? If you stop faffing around trying to defend this bucket of cinematic arse gravy and go see Dredd 3D instead.
I was going to give Dredd a miss and just wait for the blu-ray release, but after reading your thread, I'm now definitely going to watch it at the cinema........ as soon as I find the time.
I'm expecting big things now, Jack!
Lagrangian
so i give mr jack moss the benefit of the doubt...'pure pulp', 'robocop', etc...
i read the reviews, read a bit here and there, and looks legit...let's see if the movie lives up to such high expectations.
Acton
I came across this today, I found it pretty funny....
Originally posted by some dude on wired
Wow... almost everything I hated about the movie is improved upon or absent. Some highlights:
-Watts and Holloway's evidence of alien intervention in human history is conclusive and well-explained. It plausibly sets up David's familiarity with the Engineer language.
-Weyland's motivation for funding the mission is reasonable and consistent with broader Alien mythology. And he's not a ing stowaway.
-The breathable air inside the alien structure sets up accidental spacesuit failures later on, not a bunch of scientists removing their helmets for no reason.
-Holloway isn't a black hole of of whiney anti-charisma. The way he dies makes a shred of sense.
-Vickers has an actual purpose on the ship which sets up a compelling conflict.
-Fifield and Milburn are grunts, not scientists. Why they flee and how they get lost aren't absurd. Milburn still randomly picks up an alien centipede, but it's not quite as dumb as in the movie.
-The ship has protocols in place to prevent contamination.
-David's decisions are comprehensible.
-The different aliens come from different sources, as opposed to being parts of some Rube-Goldbergian string of infections and mutations. There are more of them and they sound cooler.
-Fifield turns into a cool monster instead of a lumpy zombie.
-The black goo has a discernable and consistent function.
-The Engineers are not genetically identical to humans.
-Watts kicks ass. She has no inane backstory about a religious upbringing and infertility.
-A laudable attempt is made to dodge the rolling horseshoe ship.
-The surgery scene is even more visceral and tense.
-It functions as a prequel.
SYSTEM-J
I read the first two pages and already it's 70% less stupid than what ended up on screen. Interesting indeed.
WittyHandle
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Originally posted by Acton
I came across this today, I found it pretty funny....
