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Surviving a party "sober" (pg. 7)
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| srussell0018 |
| The implied aim of your post was to defend that kid's claims, despite his own admitted lack of experience. You suppose that experience is not necessary for him to possess knowledge, but he had already displayed an apparent lack of knowledge on the subject as well. So either you're wrong, or your post was irrelevant. Choose whichever you'd like. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
nope,
the implied aim was to lead you into asking about my week.
But lets roll with your overarching interpretation of text i haven't mentioned or imagined. The kid really didn't say much about the drug other than , too much is bad. he really didn't say anything specific that could be considered wrong. Couldn't say it was right either. But to discount his thoughts on the topic based on experience is well, no need to rehash what i said, but it was kinda irrelevant. Why even bother presenting an argument to invalidate arguments that are so vague that you could of just said , thanks captain obvious.
You seem to have to win things alot. You seem to turn things that aren't debates into games where losing just isn't an option. Perhaps consider getting your genitals fondled or something because you might win what you think is a debate but all you are doing is losing my ability to get a hard on while we skype. |
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| LAdazeNYnights |
you guys going at it again?
: popcorn: |
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| InnerReflection |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
I'd expect someone with hardly any experience not to post advice, you cretin. |
I have plenty of experience with other things and parties generally, just not with mdma. Fair call, probably shouldn't have commented on that specifically.
| quote: | Originally posted by srussell0018
The implied aim of your post was to defend that kid's claims, despite his own admitted lack of experience. You suppose that experience is not necessary for him to possess knowledge, but he had already displayed an apparent lack of knowledge on the subject as well. So either you're wrong, or your post was irrelevant. Choose whichever you'd like. |
Well thing is, I've done it twice, I've talked to a fair few (7-15) people who've done it a hell of a lot and have heard what they've said. Sure that's not as knowledgeable as some posters who've done it 30+ times but if the OP has never done it it's a lot more knowledgeable than that.
Regardless, I concede I possibly shouldn't have commented or either that or left a disclaimer.
Also, I'd like to point out no one's even bothered posting any mdma advice even remotely as detailed as what I said so that just goes to show my post was useful because you're all lazy s. Advice given is for the benefit of the OP, not in some sortof drug knowledge debate. If you think it's crap advice, then go ahead, provide criticism, and provide better and equally detailed (at least a paragraph) advice. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| chances are what you did was probably not mdma or predominantly mdma. |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
nope,
the implied aim was to lead you into asking about my week.
But lets roll with your overarching interpretation of text i haven't mentioned or imagined. The kid really didn't say much about the drug other than , too much is bad. he really didn't say anything specific that could be considered wrong. Couldn't say it was right either. But to discount his thoughts on the topic based on experience is well, no need to rehash what i said, but it was kinda irrelevant. Why even bother presenting an argument to invalidate arguments that are so vague that you could of just said , thanks captain obvious. |
I think the point is that he's qualifying it as advice - as though he's speaking to a group of complete novices who have never even taken the drug. I'm doubtful that there's a single person who read his posts and thought that any of it was particularly insightful. Oh, that explains the bad time I was having. Should have taken more pills. Frankly, I thought his advice on caffeine was even worse. Don't drink Red Bull but, instead, take two caffeine pills so you can control the amount of caffeine you're taking? Who says that you have to drink an entire can of Red Bull? Honestly, it's his haphazard approach to finding a middle ground that results in arriving at bizarre extremes; but then what am I thinking is going to be offered, in this thread, that's going to serve a remotely interesting purpose, anyway?
The whole premise of it is already ridiculous and teetering on the brink of ludicrous. Who goes to an event under an ill-conceived requirement that their entire evening must be spent dancing for eleven hours? When the plausibility of the thread is already suspect, why get caught out for delivering even more suspect advice?
The fact is that he doesn't understand how MDMA works and that taking a full dose of MDMA usually depletes the brain's supply of serotonin available for the desired effect. Taking a second pill, after the drug has run its course, is unlikely to produce that effect, again. What some users do is to take smaller dosages, in powder form, throughout the evening in order to maximize duration. There is, however, a trade-off with regard to intensity and serotonin is still going to be depleted.
I know you know this. I'm fairly certain most people in this forum understand this as much, if not more, than I do. The point is that he doesn't. Yet he's speaking as though he offers an advantage about it; offering well-healed advice from a practiced club-goer. Even if it's not going to have any consequence, and I honestly think that it's unlikely that it will, it's still a stupid thing to say given the amount of misinformation there is about MDMA, currently in circulation.
He thinks that MDMA works like a pain-killer works. He believes, incorrectly, that the brain is handling MDMA like it handles codeine - that it is a singular component; a delivery in abundance of what already occurs naturally in the body. MDMA, opposing opioids, actually triggers a release of its psychoactive "ingredient" and taking more, after the drug has run its course - unlike opioids - will not contribute to the duration of the effect.
So, lets assume some worst case scenario where someone - perhaps InnerReflection, himself - is out on the town, following the advice he's given, and has taken an ecstasy pill. He's dancing his ass off, for eleven hours straight, and decides, after 4 - 6 hours, that the pill has run out and it's time for another pill. He takes it and notices that he's a little higher but not like the first pill, so, he decides to take another pill. For some reason, the two pills he's taken haven't produced any results. In fact, his mood is actually worsening. The easy solution would seem to be to take yet another pill...
The point is that he is supplying bad information and it's correct to point out 1) that it's bad information, 2) why it's bad information, and 3) why this bad information could be harmful.
But other than that I agree with your post (in case there was any disagreement presented with mine). |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| I think darkarbiter should post a topic “surviving being a mincing poofter”. |
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| InnerReflection |
What constitutes a (proper, not average) "pill" to you guys? 70-120 mdma? Sourcing 95%+ purity mdma powder isn't exactly uncommon here, so some people I know can judge how many mg a pill is likely to contain.
Friends (of mine) who have done 2 pills in a night and been fine may have been taking 40-50mg pills
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
I think darkarbiter should post a topic “surviving being a mincing poofter”. |
You can start it if you like, don't expect me to post though
No I don't think mdma works like painkillers at all, however thanks for the guide I'm sure it'll be useful to the OP and average readers of the forum.
As for caffiene, that's just what's worked for me, caffiene may effect different people differently so I completely understand if that'd be terrible advice for some people.
| quote: | Originally posted by EddieZilker
The point is that he is supplying bad information and it's correct to point out 1) that it's bad information, 2) why it's bad information, and 3) why this bad information could be harmful.
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Fine, thanks for being reasonable about it however unlike most posters in this thread |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by InnerReflection
What constitutes a (proper, not average) "pill" to you guys? 70-120 mdma? Sourcing 95%+ purity mdma powder isn't exactly uncommon here, so some people I know can judge how many mg a pill is likely to contain. |
You might want to Google "MDMA LD50" when thinking about dosages. LD50 means that a lethal dose of a chemical or drug was administered to 50 percent of test animals. I'm not going to report on what I found, simply reviewing one source I am unsure of and being completely unfamiliar with the math requisite for dosage calculations. I will always suggest that one pill should be enough but I tend to only do it once in a blue moon and have never required more than one pill to achieve the desired results. It's a lovely drug until you've taken so much that your spinal cord starts irreversibly dissolving. I've actually met someone this was happening to but he was a chronic, heavy user.
| quote: | Originally posted by InnerReflection
Fine, thanks for being reasonable about it however unlike most posters in this thread |
I'm glad it was taken in the spirit I intended but it's a mistake to discount these people because you've been received adversely. Whether you were trying to or because it happened out of ignorance, your mistake is in presenting as though you are someone who you are not. It's okay to be ignorant. It's a little less okay to not know how ignorant you are and then speak out of turn. It's insane to pretend to know more than you do. Pretending to be someone you're not is ill-advised. It also pays to know who you are. Not just here but everywhere. |
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| Silky Johnson |
| I don't care what anyone says, name calling is hilarious. I lolled good at 'bumcunt'. And plain old 'you cretin'....I dunno why, but I find to the point insults so ing funny. :stongue: |
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| Quazar |
| quote: | Originally posted by EddieZilker
It's a lovely drug until you've taken so much that your spinal cord starts irreversibly dissolving. I've actually met someone this was happening to but he was a chronic, heavy user. |
Gotta say, this is one thing I've never heard of before. This guy must have been more than just a "weekend warrior".
I know plenty of people who have done it every weekend for years and are fine. Granted, I also know a few who aren't exactly fine (but they're not totally ed, either). Most of the people I've known who became "e-tarded" started young (as teenagers) and smoked a lot of weed, too.
One thing about MDMA is that when you do it too frequently, eventually the side effects start to overpower the benefits, and so you end up naturally taking breaks because it stops being worth it for a while. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by InnerReflection
Also, I'd like to point out no one's even bothered posting any mdma advice even remotely as detailed as what I said so that just goes to show my post was useful because you're all lazy s. Advice given is for the benefit of the OP, not in some sortof drug knowledge debate. If you think it's crap advice, then go ahead, provide criticism, and provide better and equally detailed (at least a paragraph) advice. |
The OP doesn't want to take drugs, so it's irrelevant advice in the first place. You would think the thread title would give you a clue on that front, but apparently not. If someone was asking about what drugs are best for extended partying sessions then I might bother to weigh in with my thoughts on MDMA.
| quote: | Originally posted by EddieZilker
So, lets assume some worst case scenario where someone - perhaps InnerReflection, himself - is out on the town, following the advice he's given, and has taken an ecstasy pill. He's dancing his ass off, for eleven hours straight, and decides, after 4 - 6 hours, that the pill has run out and it's time for another pill. He takes it and notices that he's a little higher but not like the first pill, so, he decides to take another pill. For some reason, the two pills he's taken haven't produced any results. In fact, his mood is actually worsening. The easy solution would seem to be to take yet another pill... |
Eddie, what the are you talking about? He's saying almost the exact opposite. Firstly, he's advising against MDMA use, because he presumes re-dropping would be a "lame experience", so he clearly does not believe that taking a second pill would be just as good as the first one. Then PKC says "you can smash that for as long as your have serotonin" to which he disagrees again, and claims only a minority of people would get benefits from repeated dropping.
Yet again, you type hundreds of redundant words because you failed to understand the original premise.
Also, and just to make this extremely clear, it is fine for most people to drop two pills or bombs in the course of an extended night. I do it regularly, and it's common practise amongst all my clubbing friends. Everyone has their own tolerance towards every drug, so specific people have their own approach which works best, but I've found that two doses taken 3-5 hours apart will last the whole night and won't leave too much emotional wreckage come mid-week. For me, it's the third dose when the effect starts to get noticeably weaker and the after-effects significantly more wrist-slashingly notable.
MDMA only really becomes dangerous if people don't manage their water intake correctly due to being inexperienced or massively ed, or if they start fiending after it and just take ridiculous quantities. I'm pretty sure most experienced users will agree with me on this information. |
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