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| Redd |
| Helsinki is in Finland, Summers. |
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| Marcus Summers |
| quote: | Originally posted by Redd
Helsinki is in Finland, Summers. |
... Come on, dude. :rolleyes: |
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| Redd |
| What, shouldn't you be happy you learned something? Say thank you for the correction or I call the police. |
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| Lagrangian |
| six degrees of kevin bacon! |
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| Lagrangian |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
what a load of ing bull. cultures are just the historical and social manifestation of ideas. if you think all ideas are equal then you're as stupid as your tattoo.
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| Marcus Summers |
| quote: | Originally posted by Redd
What, shouldn't you be happy you learned something? Say thank you for the correction or I call the police. |
See
| quote: | Originally posted by Specimen303
:nervous: Yeah, I'm afraid whats going to happen tonight. God damn immigrants in westend esbo and drumsö. I hope they keep the riots in the other side of the bothnia river. |
| quote: | Originally posted by Marcus Summers
it took a finnbro to get this one. :o |
Reading comprehension is not your strongest ability, is it? :p |
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| Redd |
| quote: | Originally posted by Marcus Summers
Even Swedes are realizing this due to the riots in Helsinki (Still an ongoing chimpout)
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my bad, I thought you were talking about this; http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22650267
police are at my door, I'll tell them I'm sorry too. |
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| Bierheld |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
what a load of ing bull. cultures are just the historical and social manifestation of ideas. if you think all ideas are equal then you're as stupid as your tattoo.
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Cultures are not just a manifestation of ideas, the idea of culture relativism stems from cultures being born from whatever is (perceived as) necessary for creating a cohesive society, it's not a concious process. That's why they differ across the world as conditions do as well. Trying to judge them from a completely different frame of reference is completely pointless and no good has or will ever come from it. Every single politician or opinion-maker I've seen trying their hand at it have burned their fingers with preconceived notions bordering on the delusional. The best you can ever hope to come up with is a gigantic straw man.
They're targeting the wrong enemy, because we have a different concept for situations were ideology or religion starts to override common sense, it's called fundamentalism.
Cultures will change on their own over the generations anyway if conditions call for it, which is the case for immigrants.
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i didnt say muslim culture involved terrorism, but if you deny the link between islamic thought and terrorism, you sure haven't been paying attention in recent decades.
and since when did islam become a race exactly? |
Since when is there being different biological human races still an established concept? The word's been redefined for years now, by the UN among others, to include any ethnic or cultural differentiation. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Bierheld
Cultures are not just a manifestation of ideas, the idea of culture relativism stems from cultures being born from whatever is (perceived as) necessary for creating a cohesive society, it's not a concious process. |
if it isn't a conscious process then how is anything "perceived" as necessary to creating cohesive societies?
| quote: | Originally posted by Bierheld
Trying to judge them from a completely different frame of reference is completely pointless and no good has or will ever come from it. |
yeah, this is the kind of piss-weak faggishness that i was referring to earlier. for instance there are all kind of barbaric or disgraceful practices that exist despite them having played no part in creating that "cohesive society". but we can't criticise them as objectively wrong because what, we grew up somewhere else? that . if you can't say "pashtun child rape" or "female genital mutilation" are wrong, then you might as well shut the up and never say a word about anything, ever.
| quote: | Originally posted by Bierheld
Cultures will change on their own over the generations anyway if conditions call for it, |
agreed. but sometimes they need a little help from outside. capitalism normally works best.
| quote: | Originally posted by Bierheld
Since when is there being different biological human races still an established concept? The word's been redefined for years now, by the UN among others, to include any ethnic or cultural differentiation. |
yeah, well *i* still differentiate between religious belief and the colour of someone's skin. maybe im old fashioned that way. |
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| Bierheld |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
if it isn't a conscious process then how is anything "perceived" as necessary to creating cohesive societies?
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It's not a concious process because it evolves and there is no single group or actor directing it. That doesn't mean it's flawless, when conditions change people will often still hold on to outdated practises because they still believe in their merit without really knowing why, that's just how people work.
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yeah, this is the kind of piss-weak faggishness that i was referring to earlier. for instance there are all kind of barbaric or disgraceful practices that exist despite them having played no part in creating that "cohesive society". but we can't criticise them as objectively wrong because what, we grew up somewhere else? that . if you can't say "pashtun child rape" or "female genital mutilation" are wrong, then you might as well shut the up and never say a word about anything, ever.
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Well there is a difference between criticizing certain aspects and declaring your entire culture as superior. Even so, generally you'll be better off having a critical look at yourself or your own peoples practises.
Criticizing others is mostly a pointless endeavour, if some Muslim honcho criticizes western culture for it's inherent hedonism and misguided egalitarian practises chances are few people are going to take him seriously, so why would it work the other way around?
To some degree it's unavoidable, which is why we have human rights and international law. But it's still something to be careful about, you don't want to be misguided when creating bad will.
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agreed. but sometimes they need a little help from outside. capitalism normally works best.
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Not when it's dictated upon them by foreign powers.
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yeah, well *i* still differentiate between religious belief and the colour of someone's skin. maybe im old fashioned that way. |
Yeah they'd love you in the fifties. |
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| srussell0018 |
| If you strip away all of the old man grumpiness and limp wristed name calling from PKCs posts, it's pretty obvious he's not all that intelligent. Probably why he still works a low level government job when he's nearly 50. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
lol what ing nonsense is this? you talk . yeah, you can't judge or critically examine components of culture without being a bigot. you ing moron. |
If I may step in to play Devil's Advocate, and try and create some order out of this terribly messy "debate", I don't really think an outright rejection of multiculturalism, expressed particularly through things like dressing up in balaclavas and rioting, is quite the same as "critically examining components of culture".
The part of srussell's argument I found slightly too bleeding-heart was this:
| quote: | | Except when you forbid them from practicing their religion, you are taking away their rights. |
As I understand it, the whole point of "the law" in any given country is a careful constriction of individual freedoms to within parameters the state decrees to be necessary to maintain orderly society. The specific parameters are open to debate, but this appeal to "rights" opens up a massive philosophical can of worms that just isn't addressed at all in this thread. Although really I don't why it's here at all, because this is a thread about men chopping people up with machetes and then other men rioting in reaction to that. |
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