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| Jon_Snow |
| quote: | Originally posted by bananas
jesus, TA seems to be infested with crazies. |
You could say the forum is going bananas. |
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| enydo |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
I'm a firm believer that everybody is a bit ed up in their own way, and we all encounter emotional and mental issues at certain points in our lives, but there does seem to be far too much recourse to pharmaceutical solutions. A few years back I went through a spell of serious depression that lasted about 12 months, but at no point did I countenance meds as a solution. It took some serious self-reflection and hard work to get out of the pit I was in, but I'm fine now. None of this is trying to blow my own trumpet or anything, because I certainly don't feel proud of being in that state, but I'm really glad I didn't just go and ask for some pills, because I don't think I'd have forced myself through any of the repairing process if I had.
Granted, I know people with mental health conditions and they probably do need medication to help with those conditions, but too many people seem to go for the easy, numbing chemical answer that means they don't have to sort out the root issues affecting them. Because I believe that most people can deal with their in-built neuroses and dealing with them is a huge part of being a human being. Medicating them away to a peripheral ache is not. |
Took me about 10 years of off and on depression/anxiety problems before I even considered trying medication(started seeing symptoms when I was 11/12, still having issues). Problems for me meaning I went from just feeling crappy to having it interfere with my life in a direct way. It is not a cure, but it evens my keel out a bit and I'm more functional when I'm going through a "" period.
From my personal perspective, and as someone that held the opinion of "too many people use meds" for a very long time; it depends on the person. Medication does indeed help a lot of people to at least feel normal and function, but that doesn't mean it's the best solution for everyone, and I do agree that WAY too many people just run to their doctor wanting a script for Xanax or whatever the hell because they feel crappy. I spent years seeing therapists and working through things, and while that helped immensely, my issues would repeatedly return, so it was more of "Ok, well let's give this a shot and see if it helps". It seems like a lot of psychology sorta works that way.
They helped me, and that's all I know. I don't like the fact that I'm on medication, and I definitely resisted for a long time, but it truly did HELP me, and for me personally, there haven't been any negative factors outside of not being able to take certain "fun" drugs for safety reasons. |
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| Lews |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
I'm a firm believer that everybody is a bit ed up in their own way, and we all encounter emotional and mental issues at certain points in our lives, but there does seem to be far too much recourse to pharmaceutical solutions. A few years back I went through a spell of serious depression that lasted about 12 months, but at no point did I countenance meds as a solution. It took some serious self-reflection and hard work to get out of the pit I was in, but I'm fine now. None of this is trying to blow my own trumpet or anything, because I certainly don't feel proud of being in that state, but I'm really glad I didn't just go and ask for some pills, because I don't think I'd have forced myself through any of the repairing process if I had.
Granted, I know people with mental health conditions and they probably do need medication to help with those conditions, but too many people seem to go for the easy, numbing chemical answer that means they don't have to sort out the root issues affecting them. Because I believe that most people can deal with their in-built neuroses and dealing with them is a huge part of being a human being. Medicating them away to a peripheral ache is not. |
Based on my experience, I think one of the biggest problems with the over-dependency of anti-depressants by the Western world, particularly in America, is that so many people are depressed that it can be difficult for doctors and patients (those that care) to determine if they are suffering from an episode of depression or from chronic depression brought about by a permanent imbalance of chemicals in their brain. Those that are having an episode should definitely not take anti-depressants (in my obviously expert medical opinion), while I really don't think it's possible for someone to repair an imbalance of chemicals through non-pharmaceutical means (though I may be wrong about that).
Taking anti-depressants for a temporary episode, no matter how serious, seems like it will just slow down the healing process, as it will merely be a temporary balm instead of true treatment.
The last few years I've been having some trouble concentrating and chronic headaches, unfortunately. I never used to have this problem, which has led me to believe there is some neurological problem or other, but the doctors I've seen simply want to give me antidepressants and get me out of their office - since they blame my headaches on stress and depression. It's ing irritating. I want someone to actually figure out what's going on, so I can be more productive, but all these doctors just want to give me Prozac.
I took some anti-depressants several years back, while my parents were going through a nasty divorce, since every doctor told me it was a good idea, and I ing hated it. Not feeling happy or sad ever, just a constant "content-ness" was boring as , and made me feel like a stranger to myself. Once I got off of them and actually started to process , I got out of the slump I was in (with time and work) and was immensely better off. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| i was taking viagra during lews' parents' nasty divorce. |
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| Dykes_on_Jay |
| I take Viagra to pep me up before kindergarten. |
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| Desiderata |
| I went 9 years myself before getting on meds myself but my diagnosis is pretty extreme compared to most. Family history of mental illness on my mom's side. |
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| Trance-MB |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lews
Taking anti-depressants for a temporary episode, no matter how serious, seems like it will just slow down the healing process, as it will merely be a temporary balm instead of true treatment.
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What is temporary, I think that if you need them a year is like the minimum time.
Some people just need to get out in the fresh air and sport a little to feel better. The meds can help you with that if you can't get yourself to start doing it.
I had a colleague who frequently had severe headaches (migraine) which I think was stress related. He couldn't do anything expect staying in bed with the curtains closed. One time when he started cycling to work more often and I asked him when he had his last severe headache. He couldn't remember. Cycling had a huge effect on him.
I use seroxat since 2003, just 10mg. I had an anxiety attack out of the blue at work coming from my bowels, I thought I was going to die. Never found the real cause, could be stress, but also I suspect playing squash once a week like an idiot after having diner. The doctor said it was IBS and that I was very sensitive for bowels signals.
I try to sport more now, but increasing very slowly, too much makes it worse right away, making me feel dizzy for a week. When that happens it sort of throws me back. It's like a vicious circle. Too many variables to solve the puzzle, so I'm happy with sort of a balance. |
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| enydo |
It's pretty clear that medication for "mental illness"(whatever you want to lump under that) is vastly over-prescribed for the general population. I don't think anyone would contest that, especially in America, where prescription drug use/abuse/dependence is rampant.
However, it is also clear talking to a lot of people decrying the evils of pharmaceuticals that they have little to absolutely no concrete experience with the subject. Just because you were depressed once and got through it does not mean you have an accurate depiction of what classifies mental illness. |
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| Trance-MB |
| It's the same here and it's complicated stuff. My neighbor and former schoolmate is a shrink. |
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| Lews |
| quote: | Originally posted by enydo
It's pretty clear that medication for "mental illness"(whatever you want to lump under that) is vastly over-prescribed for the general population. I don't think anyone would contest that, especially in America, where prescription drug use/abuse/dependence is rampant.
However, it is also clear talking to a lot of people decrying the evils of pharmaceuticals that they have little to absolutely no concrete experience with the subject. Just because you were depressed once and got through it does not mean you have an accurate depiction of what classifies mental illness. |
This is the real problem, in my opinion. People are, it often seems, divided into either the "take ALL the pills!" camp or the "cheer yourself up, bitch" camp, instead of any widespread recognition that there are different approaches for different people with different situations. |
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