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Apology (pg. 9)
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| AlphaStarred |
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
People who are threats to themselves and to others are the ones who don't speak up, the ones who are frightened by both the stigma on mental illness and the ensuing stigma placed on medical treatment for it (which I believe is perpetuated by your friend's statement). |
Both my grandmother and I spoke up. Nor were we frightened by any stigmas. We wanted to live and to cope, with or without meds. It had nothing to do with my friend's statement. |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
This is also a sweeping generalisation. |
Nonsense, I'm above generalizing! |
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| AlphaStarred |
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
I just don't buy that there's anything "clear" about it. When you're affected, especially people who experience the shift from bipolar, nothing seems real, you can't always trust yourself, you can feel detached, depersonalized; you're not qualified to gauge whether you are a threat until it's too late.
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I never said you have to gauge it yourself. |
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| AlphaStarred |
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
Well then maybe I am wrong, but that was my takeaway from your statement; it had this kind of colloquial "if you ain't dyin don't be cryin" tone to it that has obviously rubbed some people the wrong way. |
I'm sorry if I seemed to be implying that. |
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| Silky Johnson |
Having worked on the assessment and admissions unit of a large psychiatric hospital + prison, I can tell you that really ing mentally ill people do not think they are mentally ill, at all. They do not seek treatment because they don't think anything is wrong.
The percentage of people who are, as Hal put it, treatment seeking, are so few and far between...I dare to say because they just aren't as "sick" as the really ed up people. It's that whole insight piece that I think is attached to coping, and if coping is an indicator of mental wellness, then is a person who seeks treatment not, in a way, more well than someone with less insight? |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| quote: | Originally posted by AlphaStarred
Both my grandmother and I spoke up. Nor were we frightened by any stigmas. We wanted to live and to cope, with or without meds. It had nothing to do with my friend's statement. |
But I'm not really talking about you and your grandma. I am glad that you both spoke up, that you weren't afraid. It's good.
I am just saying that it's damaging to imply that there is any weakness in taking drugs when you're sick; that anyone who is suffering is somehow lesser for seeking treatment, just because they're not really sure if they're going to hurt someone or themselves; it ought never get to that tipping point. |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| quote: | Originally posted by AlphaStarred
I never said you have to gauge it yourself. |
So you should wait until someone ing commits you or finds you in your apartment because of the smell? |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
Nonsense, I'm above generalizing! |
Do you really think nobody who has spoken up about troubling thoughts or feelings has ever gone on to do something terrible?
I think this argument is being conducted from entirely the wrong angle. The real objection here is whether or not "threat" (whatever the definition) is a valid cut-off point for prescription. Austin is getting so shirty because he knows he's not at risk of killing or harming himself or anyone else, but he still thinks he has a valid case for being prescribed. All this "DEFINE THREAT PLEASE" is bogging the discussion down.
And Jenny, regardless of whether she's right or wrong, is incapable of contributing to an intelligent debate, ever. It's like listening to a ing five year old. |
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| Silky Johnson |
| Oh off. Not everything I have said in this thread is childish. Whether you agree or not, I actually DO have valid education and personal experience on this topic. I'm not just spewing bull here. |
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| enydo |
There are clearly only two adults in the room, so have at it.
*clasps hands and eagerly awaits* |
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| Silky Johnson |
| Lol, adults. |
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| Alex |
| quote: | Originally posted by Silky Johnson
Having worked on the assessment and admissions unit of a large psychiatric hospital + prison, I can tell you that really ing mentally ill people do not think they are mentally ill, at all. They do not seek treatment because they don't think anything is wrong.
The percentage of people who are, as Hal put it, treatment seeking, are so few and far between...I dare to say because they just aren't as "sick" as the really ed up people. It's that whole insight piece that I think is attached to coping, and if coping is an indicator of mental wellness, then is a person who seeks treatment not, in a way, more well than someone with less insight? |
Agree with this 100% |
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