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| Silky Johnson |
| Right, and the self proclaimed threat to self and society has so much credibility. Run along and take your meds before you hurt yourself. ;) |
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| AlphaStarred |
| quote: | Originally posted by Silky Johnson
Right, and the self proclaimed threat to self and society has so much credibility. |
This shows how smart you are. My grandma proclaimed that she was contemplating suicide, whereupon she was placed on meds. How the hell more credible could a person sound? I told my psychiatrist that I feel like I'm going to eventually hurt someone or get into a fight, for no rational reason - simply because my mind and emotions are out of control. How much more credibility do you need?
And by the way, before telling my psychiatrist of my "self-proclaimed" threat, he told me himself that I should be placed on meds before I eventually become violent and get involuntarily hospitalized. Think before you write, buddy. |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| quote: | Originally posted by AlphaStarred
I'm not trying to establish anything. I think I made my point with the self-explanatory statement. If any person and any case involves being a threat to society or to themselves, they should be hospitalized/placed on meds, as aforementioned. There was nothing written in my statement about self-diagnosis and treatment-seeking behavior. I don't know where you get this from.
I know that I consider myself a possible threat to society, and possibly to myself, hence I was put on meds. |
Right, but how does one gauge a threat when violent behaviour caused by mental illness is overwhelmingly impulse-driven?
And you just wrote these words: "I know that I consider myself...". Uh, so, self-diagnosis? You obviously sought treatment to be put on meds (unless you just buy xanax from a friend?), which is a healthy sign that you want to live, to cope. People who are threats to themselves and to others are the ones who don't speak up, the ones who are frightened by both the stigma on mental illness and the ensuing stigma placed on medical treatment for it (which I believe is perpetuated by your friend's statement). They're the ones who don't plan, and don't tell, and end up causing others to miss them dearly or to take from others what is most dear to them.
Treatment-seeking behaviour has everything to do with it, and to condemn those who legitimately want to cope because you disagree with over-prescription on a sweeping level is wrong; even if there is merit in the notion that everyone taking drugs all of the time is maladaptive for society at large, there is no absolutism brooked by the fact that each and every person is going to have a different set of maladies and perhaps more vitally a different array of conditions and coping mechanisms. |
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| Silky Johnson |
| quote: | Originally posted by AlphaStarred
This shows how smart you are. My grandma proclaimed that she was contemplating suicide, whereupon she was placed on meds. How the hell more credible could a person sound? I told my psychiatrist that I feel like I'm going to eventually hurt someone or get into a fight, for no rational reason - simply because my mind and emotions are out of control. How much more credibility do you need? |
MY GRANDMA. SUICIDAL IDEATION. TRUEFAX. |
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| Silky Johnson |
| P.S. Go take your meds. |
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| AlphaStarred |
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
Right, but how does one gauge a threat when violent behaviour caused by mental illness is overwhelmingly impulse-driven?
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That would nevertheless clearly constitute being a threat.
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And you just wrote these words: "I know that I consider myself...". Uh, so, self-diagnosis?
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Read my statement above.
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You obviously sought treatment to be put on meds (unless you just buy xanax from a friend?), which is a healthy sign that you want to live, to cope. People who are threats to themselves and to others are the ones who don't speak up, the ones who are frightened by both the stigma on mental illness and the ensuing stigma placed on medical treatment for it (which I believe is perpetuated by your friend's statement). They're the ones who don't plan, and don't tell, and end up causing others to miss them dearly or to take from others what is most dear to them.
Treatment-seeking behaviour has everything to do with it, and to condemn those who legitimately want to cope because you disagree with over-prescription on a sweeping level is wrong; even if there is merit in the notion that everyone taking drugs all of the time is maladaptive for society at large, there is no absolutism brooked by the fact that each and every person is going to have a different set of maladies and perhaps more vitally a different array of conditions and coping mechanisms. |
I sought treatment not to be put on meds, but to find out what's wrong with me, as I clearly saw by my own thoughts and behavior, and the reaction of others, that there was, indeed, something amiss. And yes, I want to live and cope as much as I can, with or without meds. Sometimes people don't speak up, and that's when they usually think they're sane, but quite insane. So I guess I'm still sane, even though I'm clearly suffering.
I never condemned anyone, nor have I wrote anything about over-prescription, even though I would agree that there's probably much over-prescription in the US. I never wrote that treatment-seeking behavior has nothing to do with it, I simply wrote it had nothing to do with my original statement. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
People who are threats to themselves and to others are the ones who don't speak up, the ones who are frightened by both the stigma on mental illness and the ensuing stigma placed on medical treatment for it (which I believe is perpetuated by your friend's statement). |
This is also a sweeping generalisation. |
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| Silky Johnson |
| I think the reason people don't speak up when they are threats to themselves or society has more to do with lack of insight into their illness. Lol, as if crazy people actually know they're crazy. That's what makes them ing crazy ffs. |
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| AlphaStarred |
| quote: | Originally posted by Silky Johnson
I think the reason people don't speak up when they are threats to themselves or society has more to do with lack of insight into their illness. Lol, as if crazy people actually know they're crazy. That's what makes them ing crazy ffs. |
P.S. your reiteration is redundant. |
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| srussell0018 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
People who are threats to themselves and to others are the ones who don't speak up, the ones who are frightened by both the stigma on mental illness and the ensuing stigma placed on medical treatment for it (which I believe is perpetuated by your friend's statement). They're the ones who don't plan, and don't tell, and end up causing others to miss them dearly or to take from others what is most dear to them. |
So don't tell anyone? Do you make a habit of telling all of your friends the details of every visit to the doctor? |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| quote: | Originally posted by AlphaStarred
That would nevertheless clearly constitute being a threat. |
I just don't buy that there's anything "clear" about it. When you're affected, especially people who experience the shift from bipolar, nothing seems real, you can't always trust yourself, you can feel detached, depersonalized; you're not qualified to gauge whether you are a threat until it's too late.
It's one of the penultimate Catch-22s: If you're so sick that you know you're really sick... are you really that sick? If you seek treatment because of a perceived threat, does the seeking of treatment indicate that there was never a dire enough threat to warrant treatment?
| quote: | | I never condemned anyone, nor have I wrote anything about over-prescription, even though I would agree that there's probably much over-prescription in the US. |
Well then maybe I am wrong, but that was my takeaway from your statement; it had this kind of colloquial "if you ain't dyin don't be cryin" tone to it that has obviously rubbed some people the wrong way. People are simultaneously more fragile yet more endurant than they assess. The mental health situation in the US at large is racked with systematic problems; the people most in need of treatment are left on their own while those perhaps least in need of it have the means to be coddled into becoming sicker. But to discount the diagnosis and prescription outright of something so mercurial as mental sickness and violent/self-destructive tendencies is fundamentally flawed. |
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