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Can alcohol turn otherwise nice people into supercharged assh0les? (pg. 5)
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| Lews |
On the topic of alcohol and research... Is there any research that at all supports the proposition that different types of alcohol affect people in different ways? Because that seems like complete bull to me, except insofar as people might think different alcohol will affect them differently, which will lead to them acting differently since, as Jack pointed out, a lot of the effects of alcohol are psycho-somatic.
On the issue of alcoholism, it would be wonderful if we could start to have more pragmatic approaches of dealing with it, instead of the god-awful AA system. Did anyone read this article last year? http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/04/the-irrationality-of-alcoholics-anonymous/386255/ |
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| Vector A |
I've always been super skeptical about different types of drink affecting people differently. I figure it's probably down to a combination of:
* social setting (tequila shots and glasses of wine are typically not drunk at the same sort of social gathering)
* whether food is being eaten at the same time
* percentage of alcohol in the drink
* how easy it is to mistakenly have "too much" (the degree to which the taste of alcohol is masked)
* popular perception of the effects of the drink (lost count of the times I've heard it said that tequila is a "fighting" liquor) |
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| Jon_Snow |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lews
On the topic of alcohol and research... Is there any research that at all supports the proposition that different types of alcohol affect people in different ways? Because that seems like complete bull to me, except insofar as people might think different alcohol will affect them differently, which will lead to them acting differently since, as Jack pointed out, a lot of the effects of alcohol are psycho-somatic.
On the issue of alcoholism, it would be wonderful if we could start to have more pragmatic approaches of dealing with it, instead of the god-awful AA system. Did anyone read this article last year? http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...onymous/386255/ |
There are countless alcohol/drinking theories that people swear by that are without merit. Waste of time debunking them.
I don't even have to read the link, I've read many articles of how AA doesn't work for the majority of people. It's a bit of sham/cult/religion. The sad thing is they have become an established institution that no one questions. Our court system even requires substance abusers to attend AA despite of the facts. |
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| planetaryplayer |
| ever since i replaced my teeth with shark teeth even a single drop of alcohol makes me bloodthirsty. beware |
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| ViceroySF |
| only if there is a supercharged anti- |
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| JEO |
| There there. Let the other inmates use the computer too. |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by OrangestO
I'm surprised by the genuine ignorance displayed in this thread about alcoholism/addiction. Figured more people, especially on this forum, would have more firsthand experience with it. But at the same time, I'm not surprised by the skepticism. I can freely admit that I have alcohol issues. I don't consider it a disease, but I definitely think of it as a psychological disorder knowing the things I deal with personally. I could share story after story about my own battles with it. The blackouts. The negative impacts. The uncontrollable urges and cravings. I've quit drinking a hundred and one times. I've tried; I've failed. I've tried again. I want to share more about my own battle with the bottle, but I'd like to read this book first before doing so. It's the first time I can connect to and understand someone's insights on the subject, so it's sort of an exciting thing for me. There's a good convo about this that starts at the ten-minute mark on this podcast episode. I think people with or without the problem could benefit from listening to it.
https://soundcloud.com/richroll/rrp188 |
I'm not sure anyone in this thread has ever said it's not a disorder, because it is. What it's not, is s disease , and I feel the people who want it to be referred to as a "disease" are doing in a hope that it will lend some kind of medical validation of it being a choice-less physical affliction, like MS or ALS or Cancer is.
Apparently all alcohol is processed the same way in the body so the alcohol content is all that matters and in that very strict sense it will get you drunk all the same.
What does change though is the carrier and other ingredients. Hops for instance contains small doses of THC (hopps are very closely related to cannabis but that's another discussion) so in some of the hopps rich organic beers there another active ingredient at play.
Furthermore any mixers like cole or redbull or other liqueurs are going to contacin anything from teurine to caffine to massive doses of sugars and that does affect the body, your dopamine levels and metabolism, so not all drinks are equal in terms of how you get drunk or how that might you think or feel (caffeine for instance has numerous well studied effects on mood and behavior).
So yes, all alcohol will get you drunk the same way but that's not the full story or the full effect on your body. |
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| AlphaStarred |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
I'm not sure anyone in this thread has ever said it's not a disorder, because it is. What it's not, is s disease , and I feel the people who want it to be referred to as a "disease" are doing in a hope that it will lend some kind of medical validation of it being a choice-less physical affliction, like MS or ALS or Cancer is. |
Indeed. Not sure about what "genuine ignorance" he was alluding to. Disorder and disease are two different things. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
OrangestO seems to be projecting his own problems onto this thread. I don't think this is necessarily about addictive at all, just those people who seem to flip into a different personality when they do drink (which might not be that often).
With that said, this discussion has made me rethink my initial statement. I don't really know anyone with a serious drinking problem. My statement was made from knowing people who do stupid careless when drunk, who clearly want an outlet to act out a bit. The idea that people might have such a dangerous relationship with alcohol that they can't control their urge to binge (and then the behaviour that follows) is an alien one to me, but it's clearly close to the bone for OrangestO.
I personally do not have an addictive or excessive personality. At all. I cannot psychologically relate to it. I get bored of doing anything to excess. Alcohol just makes me feel physically. I can't be bothered with feeling hungover, especially at the moment when I'm training. Smoking weed is just a write-off of a day. Even when I go clubbing I'm always thinking of how I'll feel on Monday morning if I go that little bit further. Perhaps I just have naturally good dopamine balance and I find easy what is a real battle to other people. |
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