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| wotyzoid |
| LOL THE TYPO MAKES IT EVEN BETTER |
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| Lews |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Well, it's petered out now. But since he made such a big deal of taking the high ground and accusing people of not having a clean and serious discussion, I thought it would be interesting to give him one. Kenny is usually treated with complete scorn by the majority of regulars left here, so his toxic posting behaviour could be justified as a reaction to the general -flinging. I'm not going to pick the bones out of what was written, but I'm sure you can judge the results for yourself. |
Yes, I certainly can.
The thing is, I treat him with complete scorn because he refuses to listen to reason. I used to try very hard to openly discuss issues and reason with him, but it went absolutely nowhere. It's very difficult (for me) to not treat an arrogant idiot with derision. |
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| wotyzoid |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Because the planet's population has exploded over the last few decades. The graph of fossil fuel usage in your link looks very similar to a graph of global human population over the same period. Additionally, more of the planet's population have risen out of extreme poverty, which means their carbon footprint increases considerably person-by-person. Is there any mechanism in Communism for limiting population growth? |
Seriously, dude.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reserve_army_of_labour |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Vector A
"Dialectical materialism so advanced that it is indistinguishable from magic." :haha: |
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| SYSTEM-J |
What exactly does that have to do with population control? |
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| wotyzoid |
| Uh, did you read any of it? |
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| SYSTEM-J |
Yes. It confirms almost exactly what I said earlier. Marx mistakenly thought the planet could feed an unlimited number of people. He was writing when environmental science didn't really exist. He had an answer to the question, but it's scientifically wrong.
So again: how does Communism solve the problem of overpopulation any better than Capitalism? |
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| wotyzoid |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Marx mistakenly thought the planet could feed an unlimited number of people. |
What are you talking about, unlimited amount of people? It's 7 billion people and rising. That's not unlimited people. The earth has 15.77 billion acres of habitable land.
How is any of it scientifically wrong?
Edit: holy lol total meltdown about to ensue |
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| SYSTEM-J |
I'm paraphrasing what's written in the article you linked:
| quote: | | Marxists have argued there is no real problem here as enough food can be produced for all |
Unfortunately, contemporary science tends to disagree:
| quote: | | Many quantitative studies have estimated the world's carrying capacity for humans, that is, a limit to the world population.[108] A meta-analysis of 69 such studies suggests a point estimate of the limit to be 7.7 billion people, while lower and upper meta-bounds for current technology are estimated as 0.65 and 98 billion people, respectively. They conclude: "recent predictions of stabilized world population levels for 2050 exceed several of our meta-estimates of a world population limit" |
| quote: | | In 2006, WWF's "Living Planet Report" stated that in order for all humans to live with the current consumption patterns of Europeans, we would be spending three times more than what the planet can renew. Humanity as a whole was using, by 2006, 40 percent more than what Earth can regenerate |
| quote: | | Another study by the World Wildlife Fund in 2014 found that it would take the equivalent of 1.5 Earths of biocapacity to meet humanity's current levels of consumption. |
| quote: | | According to the Global Footprint Network, "today humanity uses the equivalent of 1.5 planets to provide the resources we use and absorb our waste". |
| quote: | | According to Worldwatch Institute, if China and India were to consume as much resources per capita as the United States, in 2030 they would each require a full planet Earth to meet their needs |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_overpopulation |
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