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| Lews |
| I wouldn't be too concerned. Most people agree that the most advanced 'AI' today is GTP-3 from OpenAI, a US organisation. Calling any of it 'AI' is a pretty big stretch, though, in my opinion. |
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| Zoso |
| I agree, we have not reached "general AI". But I think we have definitely advanced various parts of the field by great strides. I think we have made enough advancements, thus far, that those companies and/or nations that hold large, and I mean ing vast, quantities of data are far more poised to take advantage of the "deep learning" algorithms that are trending now. However, how much of a competitive advantage that will bring a company/nation and for how long remains to be seen. But given how our current economies and governments are structured, I think it can confer some significant short term advantages. I also think it gives those companies/nations a spring board from which to pivot and jump into what may be the next or "the" breakthrough in "general AI". With that said, I do not claim to be an expert in the field nor do I claim to have any foresight/advanced knowledge that I think gives me some kind of magical insight. I'm open to discussion. I would be lying if I said some of the recent progress did not both excite and impress me. |
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| Zoso |
This is completely a work of fiction, but it's a short read and really worth the time, IMO: http://www.marshallbrain.com/manna1.htm
This is of course only a simple, single view of where AI, whether true, general AI or various models of deep learning/huge data sets, could lead us. Spoiler alert, it ends up creating a pocket of society that seems like something from Star Trek: The Next Generation where all basic human needs/the lower end of Maslow's Needs Hierarchy are fulfilled by automation/AI. Now, with that said, it doesn't really offer any practical ways to transition to that sort of egalitarian and Utopian society cleanly/easily.
However, overall, I think it gives us at least some kind of positive outcomes to focus on. But humans are messy, selfish, and emotional creatures. I think we'll spend decades making a mess of huge chunks of society/industry before we ever even get close to that kind of "Star Trek/all needs are met/we don't need fiat money" future. I believe my grandkids or great grandkids will see huge societal shifts as a result of various deep learning/AI developments. |
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| Dykes_on_Jay |
You worry too much about a nation that only figured out how to reverse engineer the ball point pen 5 years ago, and can't even manage to assemble a fully native semiconductor worthy of any incoming tech. The surveillance "AI" is impressive, but all they are really doing is adapting the research of others for their own use. Hardly that innovative. Western nations are going to clamp down hard on academic research sharing, somewhat limiting this. The real Chinese strength lies on its emphasis on quantum computing. That being said, if China is put in a position of having to spend its dwindling foreign reserves (no one wants Maonopoly money) on R & D, the US has already won the war because just like the Soviets, they can't win the spending war. (Add demographic problems. Welcome to the middle income trap)
You should worry more about the Chinese jacking the real estate markets where you live than their AI capabilities lol. |
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| Zoso |
| Once again, I think I've been misunderstood. I am not worried in the sense that I am currently experiencing any real worry or anxiety. I simply found it interested and therefore shared that. But the Chinks better keep the out of my local real estate, for sure. |
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| Dykes_on_Jay |
| I welcome the higher real estate prices. Being let into the Chinese diaspora is like joining a secret guild of ancient Jews. The amount of ways they use to game absolutely every system to its limit is very admirable. |
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| Zoso |
| But you don't think they can "game the AI system"? Interesting. |
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| Silky Johnson |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zoso
This is completely a work of fiction, but it's a short read and really worth the time, IMO: http://www.marshallbrain.com/manna1.htm
This is of course only a simple, single view of where AI, whether true, general AI or various models of deep learning/huge data sets, could lead us. Spoiler alert, it ends up creating a pocket of society that seems like something from Star Trek: The Next Generation where all basic human needs/the lower end of Maslow's Needs Hierarchy are fulfilled by automation/AI. Now, with that said, it doesn't really offer any practical ways to transition to that sort of egalitarian and Utopian society cleanly/easily.
However, overall, I think it gives us at least some kind of positive outcomes to focus on. But humans are messy, selfish, and emotional creatures. I think we'll spend decades making a mess of huge chunks of society/industry before we ever even get close to that kind of "Star Trek/all needs are met/we don't need fiat money" future. I believe my grandkids or great grandkids will see huge societal shifts as a result of various deep learning/AI developments. |
AI + algorithms = welcome to the new Borg hive mind. |
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| Zoso |
| quote: | Originally posted by Silky Johnson
AI + algorithms = welcome to the new Borg hive mind. |
The great part about being a Borg, though, is that unless you are unusually strong mentally (Picard), you won't know you're suffering. |
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| Silky Johnson |
| Well yeah. Assimilate, baby! |
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| Zoso |
| It's starts with "ass" so how bad can it be, really? :o |
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| Dykes_on_Jay |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zoso
But you don't think they can "game the AI system"? Interesting. |
Hard to do when they run out of hardware/foreign patents to power it. Chinese assemble. Design in China, while certainly improving, is still dominated by foreign patents that can be cut off from use. Kind of like with Huawei. When Trump laid down his tech ban boom, the Chinese response was to tout their new Kirin processor (and new OS to replace Android...big lol, still waiting) which is based on an ARM (UK) design. Problem solved because not an American company, right? Wrong. Arm's design is based on a few US patents so no can do. What you are seeing is just the beginning. The slow escalation is fun to watch. Consulates have been closed tit for tat. I'm interested in what American China will detain in retaliation for a PLA scientist that just got arrested for visa fraud. Popcorn.gif
China is a paper tiger. The US is not.
The biggest lol I ever had is when some charlatans raised a bunch of money promising the first fully native Chinese web browser. The gov hyped it up. National pride and jingoism numba 1! Turns out it was just a reskin of Chrome and the Chinese went on a censorship binge to remove that shame from existence. |
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