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| ahlamalek |
and for the record, now having unprotected sex for a full year. best sex ever. yes call us old fashioned, but we believe in fidelity;)
if you all go to your books or doctors and ask, a woman can get pregnant from one to three days per cycle (21-33 days). So you know your woman and when its safe or not. And she knows her body when she's ovulating or not...
for christ sake, pharmaceutical and rubber companies have done more than fine at brainwashing your little brains ;) |
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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by ahlamalek
and for the record, now having unprotected sex for a full year. best sex ever. yes call us old fashioned, but we believe in fidelity;)
if you all go to your books or doctors and ask, a woman can get pregnant from one to three days per cycle (21-33 days). So you know your woman and when its safe or not. And she knows her body when she's ovulating or not...
for christ sake, pharmaceutical and rubber companies have done more than fine at brainwashing your little brains ;) |
WHAATTTTT???? One to three days on a very UNPREDICTABLE cycle!! Then take into consideration that sperm can reside in the vagina for a few days and you have a very potent risk of insemination occurring. And a woman has a GENERAL idea of when she's ovulating, she can't know for sure when she will or will not get pregnant. A woman's menstrual cycle is prone to MANY irregularities such that there is no way that a scientific method can be applied in determining ovulation.
Condom companies BRAINWASHING people??? What harm can come of people taking extra precautions to avoid pregnancies 99% of the time??? That's pure ridiculousness. If unprotected sex is so effective, WHY ARE THERE SO MANY PEOPLE GOING TO ABORTION CLINICS????? They aren't ALL mathematically inept people that can't add and figure out what time of the month it is. And if you think that you can just knock up a girl and get an abortion no sweat, bear in mind that the cost is several hundred dollars to as much as a thousand. And if you think you can support a kid, I hope you have at least 200-300 dollars a month, and ANY time during your life budgeted towards that kid.
There are far BETTER options than having 0 protection. Use foam, use gel, jesus christ there's even a patch that the girl puts on once a week. |
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| ahlamalek |
NOO Wait... you misunderstood me. Some girls' cycle is 21, some other 33 days. Your girl knows hers, she also knows when there's no more "blood" coming down there. Seven days after, she ovulate, you have to pay attention. Never said its easy. But its a calculted risk.
And more kids have kids because they have more sex ;)... and they're kids not fully knowing what is a menstrual cycle and such. Kids are also generally less risponsible about protection.
So yes, its a good thing to go all out for protection. But in a stable and long relationship NO FRIGGIN WAY! |
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| mos man |
Malek, when did sothis ever say she was making her boyfriend have a vasectomy ? Read the posts first u ing moron, maybe it is his decsion, also she is entitled to her own opinions so dont shoot off about raging feminism beacuse you just make yourself look pathetic and ignorant, which you most probably are, because unless a child is planned then using no child protection is..
a: immature
b: irresponsible
c: just plain stupid
my girlfriend is on the pill and sometimes i feel that, that isnt enough and maybe i should wear condoms.. :nervous:
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| sothis |
| quote: | | getting her guy to do vasectomy, this IS a sign of no intelligence |
mos man summed it up nicely:
| quote: | | Malek, when did sothis ever say she was making her boyfriend have a vasectomy |
for the record, my boyfriend has wanted a vasectomy BEFORE the moment i met him. he happens to share the same view as me about never wanting children. i NEVER pressured him to get one. it was 100% his choice, and still is.
also for the record, i would certainly get my tubes tied if i could. however, first of all, a woman has to be 23 or 24 to get the procedure (im 22). secondly, most doctors will not do the procedure on a woman who isnt either middle aged, or has already had several children. dont believe me? turn into a woman and go try to have it done. trust me. do some research on this one. most doctors spew out the same bull "well, you might change your mind someday!" and why the hell are you bringing up a hysterectomy? i dont have uterine cancer. for s sake.. read a medical dictionary, learn common sterilization techniques, and then come back to this thread.
luckily, ive met a boyfriend who, like i said, has the same opinion as me. IF, in the future, he wants kids, he will adopt. there are plenty of other children out there.
now, malek, if you choose to quote me again or attempt to flame me, kindly READ what i am saying first, pull your head out of your ass, and dont assume things that arent true. thanks. |
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| ahlamalek |
| quote: | Originally posted by sothis
for the record, my boyfriend has wanted a vasectomy BEFORE the moment i met him. he happens to share the same view as me about never wanting children. i NEVER pressured him to get one. it was 100% his choice, and still is.
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people grow up, they change, their ideals evolve, only the idiot is stubborn.
So if your man is close by, tell him "bravo" for doing something irreversible at such a young age. What a waste.
And I retract the "idiot" I said about you, you don't deserve it as much as him.
When I was younger, me too I never wanted to have any kids, _EVER_. But hey! What do you know... I changed ;)
| quote: | | and why the hell are you bringing up a hysterectomy? i dont have uterine cancer. for s sake.. |
huh ??? where??:rolleyes:
Ok I see, about removing the Uterus, i was half joking. I fully know its not the propre operation, but you'll agree no uterus = no kids :D |
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| ahlamalek |
| quote: | Originally posted by mos man
my girlfriend is on the pill and sometimes i feel that, that isnt enough and maybe i should wear condoms.. :nervous:
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how about you wear 2 condoms :rolleyes: |
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| sothis |
| quote: | | jesus christ there's even a patch that the girl puts on once a week. |
thats what i use right now. quite a handy little birth control device.
now, back to trancediablo:
| quote: | | what you think if i dont use condoms Im retarded or something |
if you arent using some other form of birth control, and dont want a child, YES, i do.
| quote: | | anyways birth control pills have many side effects |
what side effect are you possibly talking about that is worse off than having a child? ive had some bad, bad reactions to one form or another of birth control... and ill tell you, id deal with it all again if it didnt mean id have a child for the rest of my life. not to mention, there are many forms of birth control. not all have negative side effects. jesus.. thats an awful reason to not protect yourself.
| quote: | | I trust her and she trusts me |
so if you trust her and have happy thoughts, that means you wont get pregnant? ummm...
| quote: | | by the way we did get tested and it came out negative |
tested for what? did you read what i said? the two most common stds, herpes and HPV, are NOT TESTABLE. did you get that? you CANT TEST FOR THEM. there is one strain of HPV which is testable in a woman, but its the cervical kind. the other kind on the outside, is not testable. this is why they get spread around so much.
| quote: | theres always a possibility of getting pregnant even if you use every single anti-pregnant "things" SAFE sex is no sex at all!!
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no , sherlock. but your analogy is ridiculously flawed. you are basically saying that because condoms and birth control are not 100% effective, then its ok to use nothing at all. i cant understand how you think that logic is valid. |
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| sothis |
| quote: | | tell him "bravo" for doing something irreversible at such a young age |
vasectomies are reversable. they do cost 1000-1500 dollars, but they are reversable. yes, theres a chance it wont work. but a high percentage can get it reversed.
waste to who? or what? to society? for not having another child running around? im not that stubborn to think that if i have a child, that it MUST have my dna, or else it wouldnt be special, it isnt the same, etc. IF i ever feel the need to spawn, i will adopt a child and give it a loving home. my boyfriend happens to feel the same way. god forbid you have two people in the world with such an AWFUL attitude. i suppose we would be better off ing like rabbits, having lots of children to be put in the foster care system, and/or using taxpayers money to pay for their welfare checks?
your morality and sense of continuing your blood line have nothing to do with anyone else's choice to not want to breed.
you said:
| quote: | Why didn't *you* go get your uterus removed??
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from dictionary.com:
| quote: | hys·ter·ec·to·my - Surgical removal of part or all of the uterus.
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or, something that is done when you have uterine cancer. there is no other reason to have the uterus removed (considering it causes all sorts of nasty problems) unless that happens. a tubal ligation (which sterilizes a woman) is a LOT different than having the uterus removed. |
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| sothis |
just noticed your edit.
i do agree. no uterus = no kids. but i cant even get a tubal ligation, let alone that done >_<
it really, really frustrates me how doctors dictate what you will or will not think in the future. it seems impossible for them to believe that someone might have a strong enough convinction when they are young. so, instead, women are forced to continue to use birth control for years, paying a lot of money... just so they can continue to not have kids (= same result). BAH
i also really wish that instead of taking every post i say as feministic crap, that you would read the message behind it and not assume such things. everything i have to say is not about "WOMYN POWERR !!!1!" |
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| ahlamalek |
I have strong feelings about pills. The most important to me is the sneaky effects they have on behaviour.
My girlfriend is strongly opposed to them seeing what side effects they have on her friends.
she doesn't want pills(or different forms patches/shots/etc), both dont want condoms, and vasectomy and all forms of sterlization is a no no.
We know fully the consequences of our actions and know how to deal with them. If she becomes pregnant at the wrong moment, she will abort. That's all. How can you be called immature, irresponsible or just plain stupid when you are aware of your doings?? get a grip people!!
and just to scare you a bit (because it seems this thread has gone this way). Tell to my little brother about tubal ligation... my mom had them done (in her 40s) and by "miracle" she became pregnant...ask your doctor, even those aren't 100% ;) |
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| sothis |
| quote: | My girlfriend is strongly opposed to them seeing what side effects they have on her friends.
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this is totally valid. the first pill i tried, made me into a MONSTER. it was the most insane thing ever being completely and totally not in control of my emotions, and rather scary. but, i got put on a lower dose pill, and never noticed it again. also, ive been on depo provera, lunelle (two kinds of shots) and it didnt effect my behavior at all. same with the patch.
im not trying to sound condescending towards her or to act like she isnt aware, but why is she so opposed to things like depo, for example? she would only have to get the shot once every 3 months, it REALLY doesnt hurt, at all (its nothing like getting a shot in your arm), it has no estrogen in it so usually no one has the issue of becoming a psycho hose beast woman.. and, you dont even get your period the whole time you are on it. and, its more effective than sterilization! something like 99.7% effective. and no chance of user error like the pill, patch, etc.
| quote: | | If she becomes pregnant at the wrong moment, she will abort. That's all. |
im the same. even tho ive taken all precautions that i know of, if the small chance still happened that i got pregnant, id abort. all morality issues aside, however, (and as im sure you know), thats a bitch of a procedure, and a rather costly one as well. i understand what you are saying, but i still have a hard time understanding why, given the high risk of pregnancy, would anyone not use *some* form of birth control (even if its just spermicide, or the female condom (which you wouldnt feel), or any other alternative.
| quote: | | my mom had them done (in her 40s) and by "miracle" she became pregnant...ask your doctor, even those aren't 100% |
word.. they can grow back. to be honest, im STILL paranoid that even once my bf gets his vasectomy, that i might get pregnant. then again, vasectomy reversals (growing back together) can be caught by a visit to the doctor to check your sperm count. still worries me tho :/ |
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