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| Xavier |
| quote: | Originally posted by GelatinPufF
Well you're talking about beatmathcing there. :)
Okay, first of all "Cueing" just refers to a point in the track you place a type of "mark" at. basically you want to cue up on the very first beat of the phrase
ie.
1-2-3-4-5-6....29-30-31-32
^ right there (the first beat of the phrase)
the way you're doing it is somewhat like this
29-30-31-32-1-2-3-4-5-6....
^you're setting up the cue about here(which is roughly two seconds before you want to throw it in), and then once it speed up you have it right.(its okay i guess, it still works, but if you get on another deck it wont work, because another deck will take more or less time to spin up)
So this i what i do.
1.I beatmatch the two tracks.
2.I line up the track i want to throw in on the very firsT beat of the phrase:
1-2-3-4-5-6....29-30-31-32
^ right there
3.I hold the platter down (to stop it from moving once i press start)
4.I press start(but it dosent move forward because you still have the platter held down)
5.The exact moment you want to throw the track in. let go with a slight forward flick of you're wrist.
and thats it.:) |
I cue on the fourth beat of the 1st bar of a phrase.
Anything wrong with this?, that is practically where my transition starts from.
And I need help with the channel faders, I find it puzzling to use.
How do I bring in the incoming track, where should I bring up the incoming fader and what decibel level (or number?) do I bring the outgoing track's fader down to? if I had it all the way up... |
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| Trancey Ash |
| quote: | Originally posted by Xavier
I cue on the fourth beat of the 1st bar of a phrase.
Anything wrong with this?, that is practically where my transition starts from.
And I need help with the channel faders, I find it puzzling to use.
How do I bring in the incoming track, where should I bring up the incoming fader and what decibel level (or number?) do I bring the outgoing track's fader down to? if I had it all the way up... |
Ok this could get long, The way I mix
I have the beatmatched, i start the incoming track right as i said before. First thing I do, move crossfader to middle with track2 turned right down. then turn right down mid and bass. after a phrase or whatever, i turn up volume to like 6-7 with treble (this is a good method for prog!)
Then I either grad bring in mid, or all at once, depends on track, same with bass, sometimes its nice to switch basslines, sometimes you can change basslines without making it sound like you did. If its all phase matched it sounds mad most of time anyway!, then at sae time get rid of the other tracks eqs. At a breakdown or something just switch it over , or when the track 2 takes over. Oh remember to turn track 2 up to full, i do this gradually as bringin down the other, usually have them both on about 8 halfway through mix or whatever. Just do what you like and what sounds good.
But diiferent types of music call for different ways of mixing. |
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| gumble |
You open the channel when it sounds right???
LOL, I dunno about you guys, but I dont use numbers for bpm or for level (expect to watch distortion), It's all done by ear.
Simple, learn your records, practice a lot with them, and you get a "feel" for when to bring in the next track, and at what level.
At the end of the day, its not a mathematical formula, its "an art", so you do it how you like, there is no "wrong" way to do it.
I just think that starting and stopping the platter is a hard way of going about it, and VERY inaccurate.
Mm, also make sure that when you hold your record on a beat, that there is no resistance on the platter causing it to slow down. This could be why you have some problems?
I guess one way of describing how i do it, is to "scratch" over the beat i wish to drop in, and thus holding it, and putting it in with no loss of speed. |
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| GelatinPufF |
| quote: | Originally posted by Xavier
I cue on the fourth beat of the 1st bar of a phrase.
Anything wrong with this?, that is practically where my transition starts from.
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:( . well you're really talking about phrase matching there. :(
and thats in hard to explain.:(
first of all listen to any track you have.
you'll notice that ever 32 beats(1 Phrase) a change will occur (maybe as small as a highat comming in, or the bass cutting completly, but a change will occur)
ie.
1-2-3-4-5.....28-29-30-31-32(CHANGE)-1-2-3-4-5....28-29-30-31-32(CHANGE)
etc. etc.
Now you want to match two tracks phrases up perfectly so the changes occur together: like this
1-2-3-4-5.....28-29-30-31-32(CHANGE)-1-2-3-4-5....28-29-30-31-32(CHANGE)
1-2-3-4-5.....28-29-30-31-32(CHANGE)-1-2-3-4-5....28-29-30-31-32(CHANGE)
and thats phrase mathcing. :) |
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| GelatinPufF |
| quote: | Originally posted by Xavier
And I need help with the channel faders, I find it puzzling to use.
How do I bring in the incoming track, where should I bring up the incoming fader and what decibel level (or number?) do I bring the outgoing track's fader down to? if I had it all the way up... |
OKAY, now whenever one of these "Changes" i mentioned occurs, thats when you fade in the track. Dont fade in on the 12 beat, or the 21 first beat or whatever, because it sounds unproffesional.
ie. have the bass of the second track cut. on the 1st beat of the phrase, cut the bass of the first track, and open the bass of the second track (this has to be done IN quickly :eyespop:). |
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| escee |
this page has entirely too much reading.
Gelatinpuff, my fingers are on the label, or the end of the vinyl which has no song pressed on it. |
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| Trancey Ash |
| quote: | Originally posted by gumble
You open the channel when it sounds right???
LOL, I dunno about you guys, but I dont use numbers for bpm or for level (expect to watch distortion), It's all done by ear.
Simple, learn your records, practice a lot with them, and you get a "feel" for when to bring in the next track, and at what level.
At the end of the day, its not a mathematical formula, its "an art", so you do it how you like, there is no "wrong" way to do it.
I guess one way of describing how i do it, is to "scratch" over the beat i wish to drop in, and thus holding it, and putting it in with no loss of speed. |
Werd to the know your records, recorded a mix yesterday, and only heard most fo the songs 2 or 3 times. Its my best mix so far! Best mixing I ever done! lol, but yes i actually do endorse you know your records.
Gumble watch out you dont contradict yourself. You say there is no wring way to mix, however you then say it is VERY innacurate to start stop platter. Go figure?
Plus if I beatmatch a song in like 2 min and the other song has like 6 min to go, i dont want to hold that record in the beat for 6 minutes! Press stop and have a good time, have a drink etc! Sample in, do tricks!
Yes scratching over beats ing kicks ass! Awsome in massive break downs, when you scratch in some massive break. Its awsome! :D |
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| GelatinPufF |
| quote: | Originally posted by Xavier
And I need help with the channel faders, I find it puzzling to use.
How do I bring in the incoming track, where should I bring up the incoming fader and what decibel level (or number?) do I bring the outgoing track's fader down to? if I had it all the way up... |
OKay sorry, you use the channel faders to crossfade? :conf:
Because i have both channels turned up equally, and use the crossfader to fade the tracks. |
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| GelatinPufF |
| quote: | Originally posted by escee
this page has entirely too much reading.
Gelatinpuff, my fingers are on the label, or the end of the vinyl which has no song pressed on it. |
:o same here, same here... |
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| gumble |
| quote: | | Gumble watch out you dont contradict yourself. You say there is no wring way to mix, however you then say it is VERY innacurate to start stop platter. Go figure? |
No, being inaccurate isnt wrong, it just requires more correction :) |
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| GelatinPufF |
| quote: | Originally posted by Trancey Ash
Gumble watch out you dont contradict yourself. You say there is no wring way to mix, however you then say it is VERY innacurate to start stop platter. Go figure? |
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| quote: | Originally posted by Trancey Ash
Plus if I beatmatch a song in like 2 min and the other song has like 6 min to go, i dont want to hold that record in the beat for 6 minutes! Press stop and have a good time, have a drink etc! Sample in, do tricks!
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:stongue: Exactly! have a drink and check out those cats! :stongue: :D |
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| gumble |
I don't use crossfader much.
Not for trance mixing. |
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