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Cease Fire? (pg. 17)
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| Shakka |
| quote: | Originally posted by Palestinian
The Israeli soldiers do pick on Palestinians. They even pick on children going to school. They sometimes tell Palestinian women to lift their skirts. Once a soldier told an old man to get off his mule and kiss the mule’s ass. Picture that you’re an old man being bullied by an 18 year old with a gun. Once they had a man strip naked on the street, get on all fours and bark like a dog. Once an Israeli soldier had a bad day so he shot a three year old in the head. This is normal. This is what happens whether you like it or not. |
Simply laughable. Are you making this up? Look, I can play too. On more than several dozen occasions, Palestinian terrorists with explosives strapped to their bodies boarded public buses and killed several dozens of innocent civilians, senior citizens, children, public service employees, handicapped citizens, yada yada yada. I'd love to see the documented proof of some Palestinian woman either lifting her skirt to show her massive thatch or receive an 8-ball shot to the head. That's simply a joke and you're spreading lies and you know it. Keep denying if you like, I think most people are intelligent enough to see through your fluff.
| quote: | | Palestinians are tired of this occupation. Some are desperate and, unfortunately, resort to suicide attacks on innocent Israelis. They have nothing to live for, nothing to lose. |
Again, you try to twist the situation to sound sympathetic to terrorists and killers. Palestinians that choose to kill have not been driven to do so, rather they live for it. It is what Arafat has told them to do. Desparate people don't choose mass murder over life. No, that is something that crazy, irrational fundamentalists do. There is no rational justification. The Intifada is an attempt to destroy a race based on hatred, not based on desparation. |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shakka
Again, you try to twist the situation to sound sympathetic to terrorists and killers. Palestinians that choose to kill have not been driven to do so, rather they live for it. It is what Arafat has told them to do. Desparate people don't choose mass murder over life. No, that is something that crazy, irrational fundamentalists do. There is no rational justification. The Intifada is an attempt to destroy a race based on hatred, not based on desparation. |
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: ok so basically Palastinians are all terrorist,and Isrealies are saints from heaven right??:whip:
Oh and why is everyone bash everything that Palastinian posts??why everyone thinks his posts are all lies?what if he lived there and seen all this and experinced all those horrible things??
you people could be sooo ignorent sometimes,please try to be more understandable and be more open minded andimagine how u would feel if you had seen and experienced all those horrible things that he had mentioned in his post. |
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| DrummeRaver86 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shakka
Simply laughable. Are you making this up?
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Just because it isn't documented doesn't mean it isn't true. Have you ever been to the region? IF you haven't, then you cannot understand the animosity that exists there. |
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| Shakka |
| quote: | Originally posted by DrummeRaver86
Just because it isn't documented doesn't mean it isn't true. Have you ever been to the region? IF you haven't, then you cannot understand the animosity that exists there. |
Actually, I HAVE been to the region on SEVERAL occasions and have seen some of the violence first hand. I never said all Palestinians were bad and all Israelis were good. I simply called a Spade a Spade. |
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| DrummeRaver86 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shakka
Actually, I HAVE been to the region on SEVERAL occasions and have seen some of the violence first hand. I never said all Palestinians were bad and all Israelis were good. I simply called a Spade a Spade. |
I'm glad you've been there. I dislike the fact that some people who claim to know everything about the region haven't even been there themselves.
But, my point is that it IS possible that the things Palestinian claimed are true. Considering you, Shakka, know that a great anger exists in the region, you cannot deny that these things are possible. |
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| Izzy |
| quote: | Originally posted by DrummeRaver86
But, my point is that it IS possible that the things Palestinian claimed are true. Considering you, Shakka, know that a great anger exists in the region, you cannot deny that these things are possible. |
still even by analysing the way each side handels its anger says a great deal about each side
on one side you have soldiers who humiliate innocent civilians,
on the other side you have 'soldiers' blowing up innocent civilians. |
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| DrummeRaver86 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Izzy
still even by analysing the way each side handels its anger says a great deal about each side
on one side you have soldiers who humiliate innocent civilians,
on the other side you have 'soldiers' blowing up innocent civilians. |
This is true. But it's COMPLETELY true. This brings me back to my point about generalizations. To say that just because the IDF does nasty and dirty things means that all Israelis act the same, is wrong. The same goes for the Palestinians. |
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| Shakka |
| quote: | Originally posted by DrummeRaver86
This is true. But it's COMPLETELY true. This brings me back to my point about generalizations. To say that just because the IDF does nasty and dirty things means that all Israelis act the same, is wrong. The same goes for the Palestinians. |
I just want to clarify something to you all. If I honestly thought that ALL Palestinians were bad people, were terrorists, etc., then I'd never be in support of a peace process. Why would anyone in their right mind want to help out a race of people if they thought all of the people were evil? That wouldn't make sense. Likewise, if I thought that all Israeli's were saints, I would see no reason for them to make any concessions or enter negotiations. |
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| Palestinian |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shakka
Simply laughable. Are you making this up? Look, I can play too. On more than several dozen occasions, Palestinian terrorists with explosives strapped to their bodies boarded public buses and killed several dozens of innocent civilians, senior citizens, children, public service employees, handicapped citizens, yada yada yada. I'd love to see the documented proof of some Palestinian woman either lifting her skirt to show her massive thatch or receive an 8-ball shot to the head. That's simply a joke and you're spreading lies and you know it. Keep denying if you like, I think most people are intelligent enough to see through your fluff.
Again, you try to twist the situation to sound sympathetic to terrorists and killers. Palestinians that choose to kill have not been driven to do so, rather they live for it. It is what Arafat has told them to do. Desparate people don't choose mass murder over life. No, that is something that crazy, irrational fundamentalists do. There is no rational justification. The Intifada is an attempt to destroy a race based on hatred, not based on desparation. |
I'm not spreading any lies whatsoever. I sited sources and gave you documented evidence and personal experience. Whether you want to believe it or not is soley up to you of course. But I'm telling you to please stop living in denial. Yes, Palestinians have boarded public buses and blew themselves up killing several dozens of innocent civilians. I'm against that. But it's an act of desperation. Being fed up with the occupation. Jews resorted to terror against the Nazis. What if I told you that they weren't driven to do so, rather they lived for it. How would you feel? You say desperate people don't choose mass murder over life. But what life are you talking about? These people prefer death over life. Life to some of them means nothing when they're subject to this brutal occupation. They beleive peace and occupation cannot coexist. First the occupation must be lifted and some form of justice be served, then there will be peace. The intifada is the expression of resistance and the struggle to be free. |
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| DrummeRaver86 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shakka
I just want to clarify something to you all. If I honestly thought that ALL Palestinians were bad people, were terrorists, etc., then I'd never be in support of a peace process. Why would anyone in their right mind want to help out a race of people if they thought all of the people were evil? That wouldn't make sense. Likewise, if I thought that all Israeli's were saints, I would see no reason for them to make any concessions or enter negotiations. |
Glad to hear it.:) |
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| DrummeRaver86 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Palestinian
Jews resorted to terror against the Nazis. |
They did this also when the british had rule over them. Menachem Begin was one of the most notorious terrorists of his time. |
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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by Palestinian
Yes, Palestinians have boarded public buses and blew themselves up killing several dozens of innocent civilians. I'm against that. But it's an act of desperation. Being fed up with the occupation. Jews resorted to terror against the Nazis. What if I told you that they weren't driven to do so, rather they lived for it. How would you feel? You say desperate people don't choose mass murder over life. But what life are you talking about? These people prefer death over life. Life to some of them means nothing when they're subject to this brutal occupation. They beleive peace and occupation cannot coexist. First the occupation must be lifted and some form of justice be served, then there will be peace. The intifada is the expression of resistance and the struggle to be free. |
And Jewish soldiers live in desperation from terrorist attacks that kill their families without notice or premonition. Some soldiers similarly strike out or use excessive force out of desperation and frustration, the same as some palestinians. There are no innocents in the middle east ... |
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