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Cease Fire? (pg. 18)
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| Palestinian |
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
And Jewish soldiers live in desperation from terrorist attacks that kill their families without notice or premonition. Some soldiers similarly strike out or use excessive force out of desperation and frustration, the same as some palestinians. There are no innocents in the middle east ... |
That's exactly why Israeli soldiers shouldn't be in the occupied territories. You say there are no innocents, but there is a catch. One is occupied by the other. The Israeli military should go back to Israel, everyone at his own place. Then there won't be any acts of desperation.
And Israeli soldiers have been acting "out of desperation" since 1967. Since they occupied the Palestinian territories. Long before suicide bombing ever started. I wonder what they were desperate from then.
End the occupation. |
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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by Palestinian
That's exactly why Israeli soldiers shouldn't be in the occupied territories. You say there are no innocents, but there is a catch. One is occupied by the other. The Israeli military should go back to Israel, everyone at his own place. Then there won't be any acts of desperation.
And Israeli soldiers have been acting "out of desperation" since 1967. Since they occupied the Palestinian territories. Long before suicide bombing ever started. I wonder what they were desperate from then.
End the occupation. |
Well I'm sure Israel wouldn't be an occupying force if Hamas and other terrorist groups didn't have these handy dandy clause in its covenant and charter:
Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it."
"The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgement Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up. "
"There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."
"After Palestine, the Zionists aspire to expand from the Nile to the Euphrates. When they will have digested the region they overtook, they will aspire to further expansion, and so on. Their plan is embodied in the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", and their present conduct is the best proof of what we are saying."
Do you think Israel truly wanted these territories so badly that they were willing to accept the terrorist attacks? What made Israel so desparate in 67? How about the fact that they were surrounded on all borders with egyptian and syrian forces mobilizing at the borders? Keep in mind that Israel didn't even POSSESS the west bank or gaza at this point in time. They only captured it after the war and even TRIED to give the territories back in return for Arab recognition of Israel's right to exist. To say that the entire conflict can be avoided by a simple Israeli withdrawal from the occupied territories is is ridiculous ... why, because it's been tried before! The Palestinains need to control their extremists or their is no point in Israel making any concessions. Because regardless of how many concessions Israel makes, the extremists will never be content until Israel is completely destroyed. |
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| Izzy |
i think it all comes down to responsibility
in order for this any peace to work the two sides have to prove responsibility.
in my opinoin throughout history israel has show it is a responsible peace partner who can honour its truces. as of yet i have not seen the responsiblility required from the palestinian side. They have not proved that they can stop terrorism. However, since Abbas now represents the palestinians i am willing to give him a chance to prove that he can reign down on terror, he has a chance to prove to world that he along with israel can achieve peace.
palestinian, although 1992 may have been when the first suicide bombing to take place lets not forget that Hamas was only formed in late 1987, to carry out such an attack withing five years of of exsistance is dispicable. however i can reference you to even earlier terrorist activities on israeli buses. In march March 1978 PLO terrorists (at that time their was no hamas or islamic jihad, the terrorist were straigh up PLO members) infiltrated israel. After murdering an american tourist walking near an israeli beach, they hijacked a civilian bus. when israeli troops intercepted the bus the terrorists opened fire, killing 34 of the hostages.
Occrider, what you said about the palestinians not willing to negotiate after the six-day war is correct. The arab leauge formed the PLO in cairo in 1964 as a weapon agianst israel (remember the six day war didnt happen till three years later). Until the six day war the PLO engaged in terrorist attacks that contributed to the momentum toward the war. After the end of the war the palestinians did not alter their basic objective. They belived the now had the prospect of waging a popular war of liberation. During September - December of 1967, a total of 61 attacks were launced, most agianst civilian targets such as factories, movie theatres, and private homes. When israeli security forces became effective in thwarting terrorist plans inside israel, the PLO started conducting terrorist activities outside israel. In 1968 the first of many aircraft was hijacked by palestinian terrorists. |
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| DrummeRaver86 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Izzy
March 1978 PLO terrorists (at that time their was no hamas or islamic jihad, the terrorist were straigh up PLO members) infiltrated israel. After murdering an american tourist walking near an israeli beach, they hijacked a civilian bus. when israeli troops intercepted the bus the terrorists opened fire, killing 34 of the hostages.
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I guess it's safe to say that this incident was the beginning of the end for the region. It was at this point that the PLO lost all trustworthiness and credibility. |
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| Izzy |
| quote: | Originally posted by DrummeRaver86
I guess it's safe to say that this incident was the beginning of the end for the region. It was at this point that the PLO lost all trustworthiness and credibility. |
actually the PLO lost all worth of credibility when they assasinated the israeli olympic team at munich in 1972 :( |
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| DrummeRaver86 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Izzy
actually the PLO lost all worth of credibility when they assasinated the israeli olympic team at munich in 1972 :( |
That wasn't the PLO, it was the Black September terrorist organization. But as far as I remember they did have some loose affiliation with the PLO. |
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| Viber |
| quote: | Originally posted by Palestinian
That's exactly why Israeli soldiers shouldn't be in the occupied territories. You say there are no innocents, but there is a catch. One is occupied by the other. The Israeli military should go back to Israel, everyone at his own place. Then there won't be any acts of desperation.
And Israeli soldiers have been acting "out of desperation" since 1967. Since they occupied the Palestinian territories. Long before suicide bombing ever started. I wonder what they were desperate from then.
End the occupation. |
yea thats right israel love to be occuping one of the most dangoures people in the world that makes a perfect sense:stongue: :stongue:
you can count on both hands israel's offers for peace and you can count on both hands the palastinians offers for war
i dont think the pal" can blaim other for the situation they are in now they decided to not accept the world decision of the israel boundries in 1948 and they have been attacking israel since and israel for some reason dont like when stupid ass holes blowing themselfs in a bus or a club every day so israel was so evil that it allowed itself to invade into pal" terretories and confiscate weapon,boombs etc
and by the way you maked a really discussting justification to the intifada cuz let me tell you a secret real quiet when a palastinian throw a stone that stone hit a soldier and that soldier can be really injured or dead by that or the explosives some other palastinian left and that soldier have a family that loves him just like almost every other people on the planet |
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| Cyrus King |
Palestinian really seems to know his .... unlike certain people here...cough**VIBER**cough
Shakka... you constantly "laugh" at Palestinians' posts, while yours are mere letters compared to his responses.
You still have not given a coherent response to his VALID points.
ISRAEL..GET OUT OF PALESTINE!!!!!!! |
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| Viber |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cyrus King
Palestinian really seems to know his .... unlike certain people here...cough**VIBER**cough
Shakka... you constantly "laugh" at Palestinians' posts, while yours are mere letters compared to his responses.
You still have not given a coherent response to his VALID points.
ISRAEL..GET OUT OF PALESTINE!!!!!!! |
wow cyrus you are so smart everybody is roung but you:rolleyes: |
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| Viber |
| palastinian how it feels to have cyrus in your ass?:haha: :haha: |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by Viber
palastinian how it feels to have cyrus in your ass?:haha: :haha: |
well how would u like to have my foot up your ass??:whip: :whip:
;) :D |
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| Viber |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
well how would u like to have my foot up your ass??:whip: :whip:
;) :D |
nobody can denay that he is to flattering him like crazy |
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