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ATB flaming Paul van dyk on his forum! (pg. 10)
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| InfiniteSquare |
pvd the poor guy went downhill ages ago
look at his cd reflections - absolutely horrid disgrace |
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| umes23 |
this is how i feel about it 100%, and if paul van dyk was an artist who instead of "bashing" atb condoned him, i would take HIM a lot less seriously. because atb has established an opinion that is hard to erase by producing the very kind of MacTrance that you have described. if i produced real music that was trance, i too would either say i dont make trance, or that ATB and is not trance... one or the other, take your pick. armin did the same with lasgo sammy etc.. he was just more polite by first saying they are not trance and then following that up with something like They're good at what they do. yeah, good at making sellout, superficial pop on a dance beat, without giving any thought or musical value to their music, which lacks substance and genuinity.
| quote: | Originally posted by YaleTrance
i'm not a huge pvd fan or vandit whore or anything, but i really think that PvD had the right to bash ATB. 9pm Till I come was a symbol back in 1999 of how trance was turning into MacTrance, into a decadent genre of cliches and poppy elements that just sought to broaden the appeal of edm with mainstream culture. i'm always happy when PvD and Tiesto try to draw the line and set themselves apart from these guys. honestly, i haven't heard any of the new ATB stuff because it just doesn't appeal to me. \ i don't see how he can have any redeeming values as an artist with his past history. i remember that albums where all of the songs sounded just like 9 pm with a little variation. he has never had my respect and would have to do something amazing for me to tune in. |
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| jp |
This is NOT a healthy situation, cause rumours will spread like crazy which will hurt both DJ's :(
I don't know if it's smart to do what ATB did, cause when you have personal problems with someone you talk about them in person or on the phone.
ATB might not do stuff to everyone's taste, but he did have a serious impact on the German dance scene. I can't really understand what he has done wrong...
We'll never find out what's true unless the both of them have a serious discussion on the radio or something.
But this will never happen... :rolleyes: |
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| umes23 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Dingel
Reflections may be hit and miss, but you can't say that Out There and Back was "downhill"... |
out there and back was very innovative in its overall sound and reluctance to fall in the standard trance equation...it will always be a classic. reflections is not the best, but has some good ideas and the way i look at it, only a step towards something new and different, that could easily equal and push the innovative quality of out there and back...
time will tell and hell no, pvd-haters will not see the satisfaction of his career going downhill in the next 5 years because paul van dyk is only in the process of pushing himself as an artist an as a DJ, he might be repeating tracks for a few months but he is still a master at what he does. |
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| umes23 |
hehe i agree. atb's bashing is that of an immature adolescent. paul's maybe a case of artistic snobbery that got out of hand and came back to bite him in disguise, because its been distorted and mutilated.
the sensationalism... people interpret things however they want, not thinking rationally or even being fair from an ethical standpoint... in a sense, we are all human tabloids because really, all that's happening is we are falsely interpreting, assuming, misleading ourselves and broadcasting it to the world to come and read this mindblowing "news"!
quite irresponsible on all accounts.
| quote: | Originally posted by jp
This is NOT a healthy situation, cause rumours will spread like crazy which will hurt both DJ's :(
I don't know if it's smart to do what ATB did, cause when you have personal problems with someone you talk about them in person or on the phone.
ATB might not do stuff to everyone's taste, but he did have a serious impact on the German dance scene. I can't really understand what he has done wrong...
We'll never find out what's true unless the both of them have a serious discussion on the radio or something.
But this will never happen... :rolleyes: |
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| umes23 |
| quote: | Originally posted by InfiniteSquare
pvd the poor guy went downhill ages ago
look at his cd reflections - absolutely horrid disgrace |
this shows a problem in your thinking. it doesn't take one to like a piece of art to appreciate it. judgemental bastard...bastard for calling it a disgrace, not for disliking it. |
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| TeKnoHe@d2025 |
| quote: | Originally posted by umes23
he is still a master at what he does. |
He is indeed the MASTER at claps & hi-hats. Nobody can argue that. :D |
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| umes23 |
| quote: | Originally posted by TeKnoHe@d2025
He is indeed the MASTER at claps & hi-hats. Nobody can argue that. :D |
this is supposed to be funny? sorry, missed the joke. claps, hi-hats, kicks, snares are all essentil to creating a dance beat. if he uses the same sounds again, it really doesn't matter so long as they sound good and work. Gabriel and Dresden repeatedly use the same sounds in their beats, but they sound solid... and that is the damn reason they stick to them in the first place.
by the way, thanks a lot for exemplifying how people like yourself can take things out of context. the portional quote you have above there was picked out of a sentence referring to his DJing, not production. but again, we know you speak from A LOT OF EXPERIENCE SEEING ALL THESE GUYS LIVE, yes?????? yeah, that's what i thought:whip: |
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| Toufas |
i have seen pvd live 3 times...i have asked something from him only 2 times (singing and shaking his hand) and he always smiled back to me and winked....
umes23 u are wasting your time man...some ppl just dont get it
if tiesto was in pvd's place in this thing i wouldnt bash tiesto just because i dont like him (which is not the point) |
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| Cobalt |
| quote: | Originally posted by YaleTrance
i'm not a huge pvd fan or vandit whore or anything, but i really think that PvD had the right to bash ATB. 9pm Till I come was a symbol back in 1999 of how trance was turning into MacTrance, into a decadent genre of cliches and poppy elements that just sought to broaden the appeal of edm with mainstream culture. i'm always happy when PvD and Tiesto try to draw the line and set themselves apart from these guys. honestly, i haven't heard any of the new ATB stuff because it just doesn't appeal to me. \ i don't see how he can have any redeeming values as an artist with his past history. i remember that albums where all of the songs sounded just like 9 pm with a little variation. he has never had my respect and would have to do something amazing for me to tune in. I don't like Reflections at all, but it's still a production album of one of the most legendary and extremely influential figure in the edm world. I just can't say the same thing about ATB. |
Wow, I don't agree with you on Tiesto's DJing, but I certainly agree with you here.
Props to umes23 too.
I never thought I would see the day Arturo turns from PvD. This is either a sign of the Apocalypse or the dawn of a New Era in humankind. |
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| umes23 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Toufas
umes23 u are wasting your time man...some ppl just dont get it
if tiesto was in pvd's place in this thing i wouldnt bash tiesto just because i dont like him (which is not the point) |
i know i am wasting my time. but i see bull liek this all the time..sometimes respond, sometimes don't. today i've decided not to ignore it....and it makes me feel better that at least im getting my view out there, and explaining where it comes from.... some place partly rational, unlike some asses we have on board here. |
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| TeKnoHe@d2025 |
| quote: | Originally posted by umes23
Gabriel and Dresden repeatedly use the same sounds in their beats, but they sound solid... and that is the damn reason they stick to them in the first place. |
Ok, so G&D do use similiar basslines. BUT, they have way more variety than PvD will EVER have. Seriously, G&D have remixed everything from rock to hip-hop and made it sound good. There are not many artists out there that have done this correctly.
| quote: | Originally posted by umes23
the portional quote you have above there was picked out of a sentence referring to his DJing, not production. |
That's odd...because in that same sentence I see "as an artist and (spelling correction) as a DJ". Thus the subject are those two topics, in which I am referring to one of those topics. :rolleyes: |
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